What's in your glass today?

[Ken Gargett]

not sure if i can get these to paste properly but giving it a go.

these will be some of the wines that some of our better importers bring in.

 

$95.00 Keller Riesling RR 2012	$129.00 Keller Nierstein Hipping R Riesling 2011	$95.00 Keller S Riesling Trocken 2013
$107.00 Wagner-Stempel Riesling Heerkretz GG 2013	$89.00 Wagner-Stempel Riesling Holberg GG 2013	$55.00 Wagner-Stempel Riesling Von Pomphyr 2013
$5.99 SUNNER KÍLSCH (500ml)	$69.00 Leitz Rottland 2012 Weingut Riesling	$45.90 Keller 2014 Limestone Riesling
$128.00 A CHRISTMANN IDIG RIESLING GROSSES GEWÄCHS 2014	$34.99 KELLER OLD VINE SYLVANER 2008	$33.00 Wagner-Stempel 2014 Silvaner Trocken
$27.99 Wagner-Stempel Riesling Trocken 2013	$45.00 Keller Riesling Trocken 2013	$272.00 A CHRISTMANN IDIG RIESLING GROSSES GEWÄCHS MAGNUM 2014
$23.95 Dr. Loosen Riesling 2011	$59.00 Keller Riesling Trocken Von der Fels 2013	$45.00 KELLER RIESLING TROCKEN 2014
$97.00 KELLER FEUERVOGEL SILVANER 2010	$29.80 Keller Gruner Silvaner 2008	$33.00 KELLER GRUNER SILVANER TROCKEN 2014
$36.00 Wagner Stempel 2014 Riesling Trocken	$33.00 Wagner Stempel 2014 Silvaner Trocken	$59.00 Keller Von der Fels Riesling Trocken 2014
$346.50 KELLER ABTS ERDE RIESLING GROSSES GEWACHS TROCKEN 2013	$891.00 KELLER G-MAX RIESLING TROCKEN 2013	$140.25 KELLER NIERSTEIN HIPPING RIESLING R 2013
$321.75 KELLER NIERSTEIN PETTENTHAL RIESLING TROCKEN 2013	$95.70 KELLER RIESLING RR 2013	$130.35 KELLER RIESLING HIPPING R 2011
$32.83 KELLER GRUNER SILVANER TROCKEN 2013	$32.83 KELLER GRUNER SILVANER TROCKEN 2012	$53.00 Donnhoff Tonschiefer Riesling Dry Slate 2016
$189.99 Wagner-Stempel Riesling Holberg GG 2013 1500ml	$39.00 WAGNER STEMPEL FURFELDER RIESLING VOM MELAPHYR 2014	$203.00 WAGNER STEMPEL RIESLING GG HEERKRETZ 2014 1500ml
$95.00 WAGNER STEMPEL RIESLING GG HEERKRETZ 2014	$97.35 WAGNER STEMPEL RIESLING GG HOLLBERG 2014	$206.00 WAGNER STEMPEL RIESLING GG HOLLBERG 2014 1500ml
$48.00 WAGNER STEMPEL RIESLING KABINETT 2014	$59.40 WAGNER STEMPEL RIESLING SIEFERSHEIMER VOM PORPHYR 2014	$130.35 WAGNER STEMPEL RIESLING SIEFERSHEIMER VOM PORPHYR 2014 1500ml
$33.00 WAGNER STEMPEL SILVANER TROCKEN 2012	$36.30 WAGNER STEMPEL WEISBURGUNDER TROCKEN 2014	$68.00 A CHRISTMANN KÖNIGSBACHER ÖLBERG RIESLING 2014
$39.00 A CHRISTMANN PFALZ RIELSING 2014	$139.00 DÖNNHOFF DELLCHEN GROSSES GEWÄCHS RIESLING 2014	$272.00 DÖNNHOFF DELLCHEN GROSSES GEWÄCHS RIESLING 2014 MAGNUM
$40.00 DÖNNHOFF ESTATE RIESLING 2014	$96.00 DÖNNHOFF HERMANNSHOHLE AUSLESE 2014 375ML	$611.00 DÖNNHOFF HERMANNSHOHLE GROSSES GEWÄCHS 2014 DOUBLE MAGNUM
$309.00 DÖNNHOFF HERMANNSHOHLE GROSSES GEWÄCHS 2014 MAGNUM	$106.00 DÖNNHOFF HERMANNSHOHLE SPÄTLESE 2014	$117.00 DÖNNHOFF TONSCHIEFER RIESLING 2014 MAGNUM
$33.00 GEORG BREUER RHEINGAU RIESLING AUSLESE 2014 375ML	$73.00 HEYMANN LOWENSTEIN KIRCHBERG 2014	$83.00 HEYMANN LOWENSTEIN RÖTTGEN 2014
$53.00 HEYMANN LOWENSTEIN SCHIEFERTERRASSEN 2014	$117.00 HEYMANN LOWENSTEIN SCHIEFERTERRASSEN 2014 MAGNUM	$102.00 HEYMANN LOWENSTEIN UHLEN LAUBACH 2014
$536.00 HEYMANN LOWENSTEIN UHLEN ROTH LAY 2013 DOUBLE MAGNUM	$217.00 HEYMANN LOWENSTEIN UHLEN ROTH LAY 2013 MAGNUM	$64.00 HEYMANN LOWENSTEIN VON BLAUEM SCHIEFER 2014
$140.00 WITTMANN BRUNNENHAUS GROSSES GEWÄCHS 2014	$272.00 WITTMANN BRUNNENHAUS GROSSES GEWÄCHS 2014 MAGNUM	$39.00 WITTMANN ESTATE RIESLING 2014
$117.00 WITTMANN KIRCHSPIEL RIESLING GROSSES GEWÄCHS 2014	$247.00 WITTMANN KIRCHSPIEL RIESLING GROSSES GEWÄCHS 2014 MAGNUM	$140.00 WITTMANN MORSTEIN RIESLING GROSSES GEWÄCHS 2014
$272.00 WITTMANN MORSTEIN RIESLING GROSSES GEWÄCHS 2014 MAGNUM	$64.00 WITTMANN WESTHOFNER RIESLING 2014	$165.00 Keller 2013 Burgel GG Spatburgunder Pinot Noir 750ml
$260.00 Keller 2013 Frauenberg GG Spatburgunder Pinot Noir 750ml	$90.75 WAGNER STEMPEL RIESLING GG HOLLBERG 2013	$34.00 KELLER GRUNER SILVANER TROCKEN 2015
$48.00 KELLER RIESLING TROCKEN 2015	$48.00 KELLER RIESLING LIMESTONE 2015	$68.00 KELLER RIESLING TROCKEN 'VON DER FELS' 2015
$64.00 KELLER RIESLING KABINETT LIMESTONE 2015	$107.00 KELLER RIESLING AUSLESE KIRCHSPEIL 2015	$95.00 KELLER RIESLING AUSLESE MORSTEIN 2015 375ML
$129.00 KELLER CUVEE TROCKENBEERENAUSLESE 375ml	$129.00 KELLER RIESLANER BEERENAUSLESE SILBERBERG 2015 375ml	$340.00 KELLER RIESLING BEERENAUSLESE PETTENTHAL 2015 375ml
$955.00 KELLER RIESLING TROCKENBEERENAUSLESE MORSTEIN 2015 375ml	$1,370.00 KELLER RIESLING TROCKENBEERENAUSLESE HIPPING 2015 375ml	$32.80 Ziereisen Weiss Burgunder 2015
$312.00 Ziereisen Gutedel (Chasselas) Jaspis 10^4 Alte Reben 2013	$32.80 Ziereisen Gutedel (Chasselas) Viviser 2015	$78.00 Egon Müller Scharzhof Qualitatswien Riesling 2015
$141.00 Egon Müller Scharzhofberger Riesling Kabinett 2015	$72.00 Egon Müller Scharzhofberger Riesling Kabinett 2015 375ml	$153.00 Egon Müller Wiltinger Braune Kupp Riesling Spätlese 2015
$815.00 Egon Müller Scharzhofberger Riesling Auslese 2015	$374.00 Egon Müller Wiltinger Braune Kupp Riesling Auslese 2015	$53.00 DONNHOFF TONSCHIEFER RIESLING 2015
$132.00 DONNHOFF TONSCHIEFER RIESLING 2015 MAGNUM	$140.00 DONNHOFF DELLCHEN RIESLING GG 2015	$297.00 DONNHOFF DELLCHEN RIESLING GG 2015 MAGNUM
$149.00 DONNHOFF HERMANNSHOHLE RIESLING GG 2015	$321.00 DONNHOFF HERMANNSHOHLE RIESLING GG 2015 MAGNUM	$602.00 DONNHOFF HERMANNSHOHLE RIESLING GG 2015 DOUBLE MAGNUM
$106.00 DONNHOFF NIEDERHAUSER HERMANNSHOHLE RIESLING SPATLESE 2015	$240.00 DONNHOFF NIEDERHAUSER HERMANNSHOHLE RIESLING SPATLESE 2015 MAGNU	$96.00 DONNHOFF HERMANNSHÖHLE RIESLING AUSLESE GOLDKAPSEL 2015
$425.00 DONNHOFF OBERHAUSER BRUCKE RIESLING EISWEIN 2015	$58.00 HEYMANN-LOWESTEIN SCHIEFERTERRASSEN RIESLING 2015	$38.00 WAGNER-STEMPEL RIESLING TROCKEN 2015
$45.00 WAGNER-STEMPEL RIESLING KABINETT 2015	$59.00 WAGNER-STEMPEL SIEFERSHEIM RIESLING PORPHYR 2015	$59.00 WAGNER-STEMPEL SIEFERSHEIM HEERKRETZ RIESLING SPATLESE 2015
$119.00 WAGNER-STEMPEL HEERKRETZ RIESLING GG 2015	$215.00 WAGNER-STEMPEL RIESLING EMT 2015	$95.00 A. CHRISTMANN REITERPFAD RIESLING GG 2015
$119.00 A. CHRISTMANN 'IDIG' RIESLING GG 2015 750ml	$252.00 A. CHRISTMANN 'IDIG' RIESLING GG 2015 1500ml	$20.50 DR LOOSEN 'DR L' DRY RIESLING 2015
$33.50 DR LOOSEN BERNKASTELER LAY RIESLING KABINETT 2016 750ml	$90.00 DR LOOSEN BERNKASTELER LAY RIESLING KABINETT 2015 1500ml	$37.00 DR LOOSEN GRAACHER HIMMELREICH RIESLING KABINETT 2015
$37.00 DR LOOSEN WEHLENER SONNENUHR RIESLING KABINETT 2016 750ml	$90.00 DR LOOSEN WEHLENER SONNENUHR RIESLING KABINETT 2016 1500ml	$55.50 DR LOOSEN WEHLENER SONNENUHR RIESLING SPÄTLESE 2015
$126.00 DR LOOSEN ERDENER TREPPCHEN RIESLING SPÄTLESE 2015 1500ml	$217.00 DR LOOSEN ERDENER TREPPCHEN RIESLING AUSLESE 2015 1500ml	$76.00 DR LOOSEN ERDENER PRÄLAT RIESLING AUSLESE GOLDKAPSEL 2015 375ml
$334.00 DR LOOSEN ERDENER PRÄLAT RIESLING AUSLESE GOLDKAPSEL 2015 1500ml	$126.00 DR LOOSEN ÜRZIGER WÜRZGARTEN RIESLING SPÄTLESE 2015 1500ml	$215.00 DR LOOSEN ÜRZIGER WÜRZGARTEN RIESLING AUSLESE 2015 1500ml
$23.90 WITTMANN 100 HÜGEL RIESLING 2015	$23.90 WITTMANN 100 HÜGEL RIESLING 2015	$32.90 WITTMANN ESTATE RIESLING 2015
$71.00 WITTMANN ESTATE RIESLING 2015 1500ml	$99.00 WITTMANN AULERDE RIESLING GG 2015	$119.00 WITTMANN BRUNNENHÄUSCHEN RIESLING GG 2015
$99.00 WITTMANN KIRCHSPEIL RIESLING GG 2015	$119.00 WITTMANN MORSTEIN RIESLING GG 2015 750ml	$244.00 WITTMANN MORSTEIN RIESLING GG 2015 1500ml
$244.00 WITTMANN MORSTEIN RIESLING GG 2015 1500ml	$26.90 Ziereisen Gutedel (Chasselas) Heugumber 2015	$32.80 Ziereisen Grauer Burgunder 2015
$159.00 Ziereisen Grauer Burgunder “Jaspis” Alte Reben 2013	$32.80 Ziereisen Blauer Spatburgunder 2013	$47.90 Ziereisen Blauer Spatburgunder Tschuppen 2013
$74.00 Ziereisen Blauer Spatburgunder Schulen 2013	$74.00 Ziereisen Syrah Gestad 2013	$99.00 WAGNER-STEMPEL HOLLBERG GG 2015
$189.00 Joh Jos Prum Zeltinger GoldKapsel Riesling 2010	$52.00 Robert Weil Riesling Trocken 2015	$63.00 Robert Weil Kiedricher Riesling Trocken 2015
$88.00 Robert Weil Kiedrich Klosterberg Riesling Trocken 2015	$88.00 Robert Weil Kiedrich Turmberg Riesling Trocken 2015	$139.00 Robert Weil Kiedrich Gräfenberg Grosses Gewächs Riesling Trocken
$139.00 Robert Weil Kiedrich Gräfenberg Spatlese 2015	$465.00 Robert Weil 2015 Six-Pack	$210.00 WAGNER-STEMPEL HOLLBERG GG 2015 1500ml
$49.00 Ziereisen Tschuppen Blauer Spatburgunder 2014	$104.00 Ziereisen vom Schiefer Spatburgunder 2014	$104.00 Ziereisen Rhini Blauer Spatburgunder 2013
$347.00 Keller Abts E GG Riesling 2015	$44.00 Schafer Riesling Trocken 2016	$66.00 Schafer Riesling Trocken Dorsheim 2016
$55.00 Schafer Riesling Trocken Burg Layer Schlossberg 2015	$89.00 Schafer Riesling Pittermännchen GG 2015	$38.00 Schafer Riesling Pittermännchen Kabinett 2015
$55.00 Schafer Riesling Pittermännchen Spätlese 2015	$99.00 Schafer Riesling Dorsheimer Goldloch Auslese 2015	$513.00 Schafer MIXED SIX
$59.00 GOETTWEIG GOTTSCHELLE GRUNER VELTLINER 15	$33.00 Wagner-Stempel Silvaner Trocken 2015	$35.00 Keller Gruner Silvaner Trocken 2016
$48.00 Keller Riesling Trocken 2016	$51.00 Keller Limestone Riesling 2016	$64.00 Keller Limestone Riesling Kabinett 2016
$479.00 Keller Dozen 2016	$72.50 Ziereisen Grauer Spatburgunder 2013 Magnum	$102.30 Ziereisen Spatburgunder Tschuppen 2013 Magnum
$161.70 Ziereisen Blauer Spatburgunder Schulen 2013 Magnum	$109.00 Joh. Jos. Prüm Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Auslese 2004	$109.00 Joh. Jos. Prüm Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Auslese 2007
$102.00 Joh. Jos. Prüm Graacher Himmelreich Riesling Auslese 2012	$75.00 Egon Müller Scharzhofberger Kabinett Riesling 2008	$163.00 Egon Müller Scharzhofberger Spätlese Riesling 2008
$397.00 Egon Müller Scharzhofberger Auslese Riesling 2008	$68.00 Keller Von der Fels Riesling 2016	$52.99 Clemens Busch Riesling Trocken 'vom roten' Schiefer 2015
$68.50 Clemens Busch Riesling Trocken 'vom blauen' Schiefer 2015	$96.00 Clemens Busch Riesling Marienburg 1er Grosses-Gewächs 2015	$109.00 Clemens Busch Riesling Marienburg 1er GG 'Rothenpfad' 2015
$114.00 Clemens Busch Riesling Marienburg 1er GG 'Fahrlay' 2015	$114.00 Clemens Busch Riesling Marienburg 1er GG 'Falkenlay' 2015	$495.00 Clemens Busch 'MIXED SLATE' & GG SIXPACK 2015
$35.00 Von Hövel Saar-Riesling Trocken 2016	$34.00 Von Hövel Saar-Riesling 2016	$62.00 Von Hövel Saar-Riesling 'S' Kabinett 2016
$66.00 Von Hövel Hütte Riesling GG 2015	$48.00 Von Hövel Hütte Riesling Kabinett 2016	$62.00 Von Hövel Hütte Riesling Spatlese 2016
$95.00 Von Hövel Scharzhofberger Riesling 2015	$55.00 Von Hövel Scharzhofberger Riesling Kabinett 2015	$111.00 Von Hövel Scharzhofberger Riesling Auslese*** 2015
$395.00 Von Hövel MIXED SIX	$66.00 Wagner Stempel Tirus Cuvee Blanc et Noir 2007	$112.00 Ziereisen Talrain 2015
$99.00 Schafer Dorsheim Goldloch Riesling Auslese 2015	$100.00 Ziereisen Pinot vom Scheifer 2015	$210.00 Weinbach Faller Closdes Capucins Vendanges Tardives Riesling 201
$128.00 Stéphane Magnien Morey-Saint-Denis 1er Cru ‘Les Monts Luisants’	$39.00 WAGNER-STEMPEL RIESLING TROCKEN 2016	$48.00 WAGNER-STEMPEL RIESLING KABINETT 2016
$97.00 WAGNER-STEMPEL HÖLLBERG RIESLING GG 2016	$124.00 WAGNER-STEMPEL SCHARLACHBERG RIESLING GG 2016	$130.00 WAGNER-STEMPEL HEERKRETZ RIESLING GG 2016
$223.00 WAGNER-STEMPEL EMT RIESLING 2016	$30.00 Gunderloch Pinot Gris 2013	$125.00 Rebholz Riesling Kastanienbusch GG 2015

 

[Ken Gargett]

this one should be easier - just producers.

Producers

• A. Christmann
• Ansgar Clüsserath
• Dr Loosen
• Dönnhoff
• Georg Breuer
• Gunderloch
• Heymann-Löwenstein
• Huber
• Koehler-Ruprecht
• Villa Wolf
• Wittmann

[Ken Gargett]

last one

 

Germany

Joh. Jos. Prum: Mosel (Wehlen) 
Robert Weil: Rheingau

Muller Catoir: Pfalz
Von Buhl: Pfalz

[Ken Gargett]

okay, one last one.

GERMANY

Mosel: AJ Adam (Neumagen), Fritz Haag (Mosel), Schloss Lieser (Lieser), Willi Schaefer (Graach).

Nahe: Emrich-Schonleber (Monzingen), Schafer-Frohlich (Bockenau).

Rheingau: Prinz.

Rheinhessen: Winter.

Ruwer: Maximin Grunhaus.

Saar: Zilliken (Saarburg).

 

[BrightonCorgi]

17 hours ago, Fugu said:

They can still be found - nothing to do with the Nazis. Even the VDP wine association and all its members are using it ("Verband Deutscher Prädikats- und Qualitätsweingüter", founded it 1910, so unsuspicious  ). You know - the white tailed eagle still is the German's heraldic animal, and its use reaches far back into the medieval...

It wasn't that symbol.  The wings were spread out and with no grapes.  It's hard to find many 1930's - early 40's German wine labels online for whatever reason.  It wasn't a Prum or Loosen brand.  I was unfamiliar with house.

[BrightonCorgi]

This thread got me thinking...  I should open a German wine!  It's just after lunch and coldest day in years.  German wine makes sense.

 

[presa_dad]

One of my favorites, Zacapa 23.

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[Fugu]

23 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

not sure if i can get these to paste properly but giving it a go.

these will be some of the wines that some of our better importers bring in.

Wow - very interesting Ken! Those are truly all top names, nice selection there (well, 'Jayjay' Prüm and Egon Müller....! nothing more left to say). But price-wise it looks as if Australia were trying hard to keep those wines out of their market... .

I get there is some Magnum and Dmag pricing stated, but at that level, you could almost consider gathering with some wine-enthusiastic mates (I bet you got a few...) and organise a container - or part-container and import yourself..... Not kidding. While not knowing the actual import duties that these wines might be burdened with, at current sea-fright rates....

At those prices (2-3x ex-producer or even retail original price) these wines would be forbidding for me. You still get many first growths and GGs from the top producers around and even below 30 bucks (ca AUD 45), with prices in the main being 'fairly' stable, exception perhaps the absolute top names recently (there is some hype, indeed).

Attaching two pics for you, just for the fun - Keller's Hubacker and Westhofener Kirchspiel from when these wines still were "simply" 'Riesling - dry' before they went "Großes Gewächs" (Grand Cru). Haag's first GG of Juffer Sonnenuhr ('08), lead by a BA from one of the last vintages under responsibility of father Wilhelm. And the (for me) legendary 2007 Hermannshöhle GG. If I told you pricing at time of me buying them, compared to your current import prices it will bring tears to your eyes... Still, 2015 and '16 Hermannshöhle 'GG' went for EUR 42,00 (~AUD 65) ex producer. Even Keller's Hubacker and Kirchspiel GGs ranking under EUR 40 for 2016.

Nice to see, there is quite a bit of Rheinhessen in those offerings, a highly dynamic region where truly a revolution had taken place over the last two decades. Love Wagner-Stempel. And Winter is a huge favourite of mine, with (one has to say) ex-junior Stefan Winter keeping his feet firmly on the ground. Terrific dry Riesling from Leckerberg and Geyersberg at still very fair pricing (have a look out for them), and even the basic qualities you can trustfully buy blind year after year.

[All that being said - if you got the dosh Ken, do yourself a favour and put some 1/1 and Magnums or even DMs of 2015 Hermannshöhle and also Dellchen 'GG' in your cellar! Also Wittmann's GGs Morstein, Kirchspiel and Aulerde appear comparatively nice-priced. Pricing ranking up with Doennhoff usually, or even above.]

[Fugu]

6 hours ago, BrightonCorgi said:

It wasn't that symbol.  The wings were spread out and with no grapes.  It's hard to find many 1930's - early 40's German wine labels online for whatever reason.  It wasn't a Prum or Loosen brand.  I was unfamiliar with house.

I suspect you have in mind some of the (many) labels of Staatsweingüter or the Staatl. Weinbaudomäne. They all were bearing the heroic eagle (see pics), and - you are right indeed - probably designed in the early 30s (I think I remember having seen even some bearing the swastika). But also those have been in use until quite recently. But I do get what you mean. Many of those labels were redesigned meanwhile with the reorganisation of properties and/or privatizations. Fortunately, there are also a lot of truly lovely art-nouveau and art-déco labels out there....

[sengjc]

One of my favorites, Zacapa 23.

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Curious looking cigar - looks like Transformers?

[presa_dad]

6 hours ago, sengjc said:

 

Curious looking cigar - looks like Transformers?

It's an Ezra Zion "Ugly Christmas Sweater", a limited release they do each year.

[BrightonCorgi]

14 hours ago, Fugu said:

At those prices (2-3x ex-producer or even retail original price) these wines would be forbidding for me. You still get many first growths and GGs from the top producers around and even below 30 bucks (ca AUD 45), with prices in the main being 'fairly' stable, exception perhaps the absolute top names recently (there is some hype, indeed).

To give you an idea of wine prices in Boston, I dug up my order on 2015 Keller per bottle:

2015 KELLER GRUNER SILVANER TROCKEN - $20 USD
2015 KELLER RIESLING TROCKEN - $21 USD
2015 KELLER LIMESTONE KABINETT RIESLING - $20 USD

[Fugu]

On 7.1.2018 at 4:33 PM, BrightonCorgi said:

To give you an idea of wine prices in Boston, I dug up my order on 2015 Keller per bottle:

2015 KELLER GRUNER SILVANER TROCKEN - $20 USD
2015 KELLER RIESLING TROCKEN - $21 USD
2015 KELLER LIMESTONE KABINETT RIESLING - $20 USD

Thanks for that. Interesting to see this even pricing level for those wines in the US, which were originally quite differently priced ex producer. E.g. the 2015 Silvaner trocken was $8.40 (USD), while the "Limestone" Kabinett was $14.20. Seems like you did a pretty good catch there with the limestone at $20. (Ken would have to pay $50 USD for that same wine in Stralia!....). Still a bit frightening to see how expensive those wines are becoming after overseas import. While in most of Europe (bar Scandinavia) you can get e.g. US or Australian wines for +/- much the same as what is asked for in retail there. Looks like Australia and (to a lesser extent) also the USA are either protecting their markets a fair deal more than vice versa, or the tax on wine/alcohol is so much higher there...

[BrightonCorgi]

13 hours ago, Fugu said:

 Looks like Australia and (to a lesser extent) also the USA are either protecting their markets a fair deal more than vice versa, or the tax on wine/alcohol is so much higher there...

It's not tax in my state that is elevating the price.  MA has some of the lowest liquor prices I have seen the world.  Never been to duty free that less expensive than a liquor discount liquor store down the street.

[Ken Gargett]

On 1/7/2018 at 10:41 AM, Fugu said:

Wow - very interesting Ken! Those are truly all top names, nice selection there (well, 'Jayjay' Prüm and Egon Müller....! nothing more left to say). But price-wise it looks as if Australia were trying hard to keep those wines out of their market... .

I get there is some Magnum and Dmag pricing stated, but at that level, you could almost consider gathering with some wine-enthusiastic mates (I bet you got a few...) and organise a container - or part-container and import yourself..... Not kidding. While not knowing the actual import duties that these wines might be burdened with, at current sea-fright rates....

At those prices (2-3x ex-producer or even retail original price) these wines would be forbidding for me. You still get many first growths and GGs from the top producers around and even below 30 bucks (ca AUD 45), with prices in the main being 'fairly' stable, exception perhaps the absolute top names recently (there is some hype, indeed).

Attaching two pics for you, just for the fun - Keller's Hubacker and Westhofener Kirchspiel from when these wines still were "simply" 'Riesling - dry' before they went "Großes Gewächs" (Grand Cru). Haag's first GG of Juffer Sonnenuhr ('08), lead by a BA from one of the last vintages under responsibility of father Wilhelm. And the (for me) legendary 2007 Hermannshöhle GG. If I told you pricing at time of me buying them, compared to your current import prices it will bring tears to your eyes... Still, 2015 and '16 Hermannshöhle 'GG' went for EUR 42,00 (~AUD 65) ex producer. Even Keller's Hubacker and Kirchspiel GGs ranking under EUR 40 for 2016.

Nice to see, there is quite a bit of Rheinhessen in those offerings, a highly dynamic region where truly a revolution had taken place over the last two decades. Love Wagner-Stempel. And Winter is a huge favourite of mine, with (one has to say) ex-junior Stefan Winter keeping his feet firmly on the ground. Terrific dry Riesling from Leckerberg and Geyersberg at still very fair pricing (have a look out for them), and even the basic qualities you can trustfully buy blind year after year.

[All that being said - if you got the dosh Ken, do yourself a favour and put some 1/1 and Magnums or even DMs of 2015 Hermannshöhle and also Dellchen 'GG' in your cellar! Also Wittmann's GGs Morstein, Kirchspiel and Aulerde appear comparatively nice-priced. Pricing ranking up with Doennhoff usually, or even above.]

the prices are partly transport/distance but mostly our arcane and absurd taxes. it means containers done privately are just as badly hit.

i think i posted elsewhere that i took a Haag double magnum fishing to fraser island this year for the team. 2011 auslese. stunning, and got it for $200 (down from around $680 as the wholesaler having a clear-out. got a second for myself). 3-4 of us had a lovely afternoon. it was their BJS that are in your pics. and thanks for those.

a couple for you...

egon muller after a very funny day (will try and find the story for you - thought one of my mates had pegged out at the top of one of the steepest vineyards).

then after, we had a tasting, during which egon fired up a cigar. to my delgiht and the disgust of many somms.  and no idea why this has gone underline and can't get rid of it.

,

across the mosel to the prum estate.

 

a tasting with ann prum. brilliant.

at donnhoff. this was the extraordinary eiswein - only 113 halves or something like that, made for the world. the next one is tasting with helmut donnhoff.

the view from the tasting room at robert weil.

 

this was the wine we found in the cellar at zeltigen. wonderful.

[Fugu]

14 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

i think i posted elsewhere that i took a Haag double magnum fishing to fraser island this year for the team. 2011 auslese. stunning, and got it for $200 (down from around $680 as the wholesaler having a clear-out. got a second for myself)

Yes, I remember your post. Great deal on that one.

Many thanks for posting those lovely pics, Ken! And how nice to learn Egon Müller is also a lover of cigars (well, why should he not....)
Your Licht-Bergweiler 1971 Beerenauslese is asking a 475 EUR today....

[Colt45]

Washington State Mourvedre - I like it.

 

[BrightonCorgi]

18 hours ago, Colt45 said:

Washington State Mourvedre - I like it.

 

Hopefully you are not the village idiot...  Gramercy is a good producer, but never have seen that wine before.  Not really hunting them down either FWIW

[Colt45]

19 hours ago, BrightonCorgi said:

Hopefully you are not the village idiot...

Hey, I resemble that! Long story short, I've a sudden interest in Washington state syrah, and because I enjoy mourvedre, decided to give it a shot. I do not believe it is in current production. The same local I bought this at has the 2011 Cayuse En Cerise, but it's a bit pricey.....

P.S. while initial research showed this to be mourvedre, more digging shows it to be 80% syrah, 12% mourvedre, with a little cinsault and grenache. Makes more sense, especially after tasting a second day.

[BrightonCorgi]

25 minutes ago, Colt45 said:

Hey, I resemble that! Long story short, I've a sudden interest in Washington state syrah, and because I enjoy mourvedre, decided to give it a shot.

They make some good Syrah, Pinot and Merlot in that region.

[BrightonCorgi]

Received an email from my local wine shop on their current German offer to give you an idea on prices (USD)

2016 Egon Müller Riesling Scharzhof $48 NET

2016 Egon Müller Scharzhofberger Riesling Kabinett $76 NET

2016 Egon Müller Le Gallais Spätlese $89 NET

2016 Egon Müller Scharzhofberger Riesling Spätlese $148 NET

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3 hours ago, BrightonCorgi said:

Received an email from my local wine shop on their current German offer to give you an idea on prices (USD)

That seems very attractive pricing (well, for Müller wines that is).

Just yesterday we had some exciting 2016 Mosel Rieslings. May post something up later...

[presa_dad]

A little Friday afternoon bourbon.

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Last two days we tried some 2016 Rieslings from Germany. Started with a truly gorgeous Brauneberger Juffer Spätlese from Fritz Haag. Pure, luscious exotic fruitiness that Oliver Haag drew on bottle here (8% alc). A joy already to drink now, but will have legs for decades to come (alas, I am not overly trusting in the cork that they are using there, a shame for a wine of that quality and longevity). We were drinking it with grilled free-range chicken, prepped w/lemon + fresh Italian herbs. Superb pairing.

While the girls sticked with the Haag (ignorants with beer ), I switched to Ernst Loosen's Graacher Himmelreich Kabinett. What a wine! What a nose! This is an absolute top off-dry Kabinett this year, a depth and complexity almost like on Spätlese-level (less sweet than the Haag, but of course still with noticeable residual sugar). Peach and flowery (elder) notes here with a decent minerality and well integrated acidity from these old, self-rooted vines. Loved this wine right from the first sip. This must come from grapes at full physiological ripeness. Well in balance with the residual sweetness here (10.5% alc). This is a steal, always one of the best values, but particularly this year - you can't get much more top Riesling for your money (~EUR 13 at retail).

Finished supper with a 2015 Beerenauslese from Reinhessen newcomer Katharina Wechsler. Benn is the family's small Monopole in Westhofen. I find it still a bit closed right now, but this was such a nice drinking, kids and friends couldn't hold back, so that it hadn't been given much time to breathe. Will need a bit more time in bottle. (going great with Bleu des Basques)

Following day, missus and I opened a new bottle of the '16 Ürziger Würzgarten GG from Loosen. This is from century-old vines, ungrafted, original pre-phylloxera Mosel rootstock. Another great dry Riesling this year (at 12.5% alc.). Completely different in style. High minerality, like you feel you taste the slate. More seriousness here, a more austere wine than the fruit-driven Himmelreich. Still showing restrained notes of peach and spices. Opened up nicely in the bottle after a few hours.

Looking forward to the Himmelreich and Wehlener Sonnenuhr GG from Loosen.

[presa_dad]

Jefferson's Ocean Voyage 10.

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