PuroDan Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 The positive and negative effects on Cuban cigars when the embargo is lifted. What do you guys think? Assuming that this will happen
PuroDan Posted March 2, 2015 Author Posted March 2, 2015 This is all I have to say. I'm gonna do the best I can to stock up now 1
Variant2 Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 Good: Monte #2s on Cbid Bad: Most of them are plugged. 1
PuroDan Posted March 2, 2015 Author Posted March 2, 2015 Good: Monte #2s on Cbid Bad: Most of them are plugged. That's awesome and funny.
semifan1 Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 Short term there will be a big number of Americans purchasing IMO. Quality will go down as Cuba rushes to get as many out as they can. Long term it returns back to normal. American are already used to getting NC's and that's what they have had for years.
garbandz Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 Fakes will be everywhere.EVERYWHERE!!!! I estimate the fakes will outnumber the real sticks for months or even years,and will NEVER go away...................
Charley Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 Quality will suffer for probably a good 3 years. Prices will be through the roof because of taxes and B&M gauging. Hopefully we will still be able to get them through FOH. 1
Hunter1974 Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 since I know how to buy now I would rather it didnt but I would like to go there
cigcars Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 This is all I have to say. I'm gonna do the best I can to stock up now Wise choice!
Skyfall Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 I think a lot of people are assuming that "when the embargo gets lifted" like it's a sure thing. Even if it eventually gets lifted, which could be years, it is VERY likely for it to be lifted contingent on specific restrictions still in place, most likely a " vice restriction" where it's ok to bring back a certain amount of tobacco and alcohol through customs, but keeping an import trade intended for wholesale restriction in place for tobacco and alcohol. This is a very realistic and likely scenario, that politicians discuss as a very likely Scenerio, but no one else seems to consider it. 1
Franko Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 Nothing against, but it won't be fun and excited to see if ur parcel will make it trew customs lol... 2
wabashcr Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 I think a lot of people are assuming that "when the embargo gets lifted" like it's a sure thing. Even if it eventually gets lifted, which could be years, it is VERY likely for it to be lifted contingent on specific restrictions still in place, most likely a " vice restriction" where it's ok to bring back a certain amount of tobacco and alcohol through customs, but keeping an import trade intended for wholesale restriction in place for tobacco and alcohol. This is a very realistic and likely scenario, that politicians discuss as a very likely Scenerio, but no one else seems to consider it. To me this would be an ideal scenario. The embargo being lifted would hopefully be a good thing for the Cuban people, in spite of the current regime, but without wreaking havoc on the Cuban tobacco industry. I think most of us are content with the status quo when it comes to cigars, but I'd gladly trade that if it meant better lives for the people of Cuba.
Garrettbuckeye Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 I think most of us are content with the status quo when it comes to cigars, but I'd gladly trade that if it meant better lives for the people of Cuba. I couldn't agree more. If Cuban cigars and their quality mean more to you than the lives of other people... You've got bigger problems than what you're smoking. 1
Geaux Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 I think most of us are content with the status quo when it comes to cigars, but I'd gladly trade that if it meant better lives for the people of Cuba. I couldn't agree more. If Cuban cigars and their quality mean more to you than the lives of other people... You've got bigger problems than what you're smoking. Not sure I get this... Are you insinuating that if the US lifts the embargo with Cuba that it will help the people of Cuba? Hope I am reading that wrong, but it seems to be implied here.
Garrettbuckeye Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 Well, I may be completely ignorant to the real truth of the situation. I hope that is not the case. I do not mean to offend, but I was under the impression that lifting the embargo would help the people of Cuba.
Garrettbuckeye Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 "The United States is the only nation that still has a trade embargo against Cuba. After four decades, it's clear that our policy has failed to achieve its goals: the end of Fidel Castro's regime and a peaceful transition to democracy. Today, Cuba remains under totalitarian rule, with Castro still firmly in power. The real victims of our policies are the 11 million innocent Cuban men, women, and children. Our embargo has exacerbated already-miserable living conditions for Cuban citizens. Cuba's economy has suffered because it is prohibited from exporting goods to the U.S. In addition, most Cubans have very limited access to American products. Moreover, our policies restrict Americans' right to travel freely to Cuba, making exchange between our two cultures essentially impossible. There are many other countries whose governments are not freely elected. Yet none of our policies toward these nations resemble our treatment of Cuba. With the Cold War over and Cuba posing no threat to the U.S.. there is no justification for our outdated approach to Cuba. To make matters worse, we are spending extraordinary resources to enforce the embargoresources that could be used to secure our nation against terrorism. It's time for a fundamental change in our Cuba policy. We can start by ending the trade embargo and by lifting the ban on travel to Cuba by American citizens. Only by engaging the Cuban people, and by building bridges between our citizens and theirs, will we succeed in bringing freedom and democracy to our neighbor." Senator Christopher J. Dodd Democrat of Connecticut
Garrettbuckeye Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 If nothing else, lifting the embargo would allow people living in the US to visit their families.
wabashcr Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 Not sure I get this... Are you insinuating that if the US lifts the embargo with Cuba that it will help the people of Cuba? Hope I am reading that wrong, but it seems to be implied here. I absolutely believe lifting the embargo will help the Cuban people. I understand why reasonable people may disagree, but I think ultimately lifting the embargo will benefit much more than the Castro regime and US investors.
SCgarman Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 Well, I may be completely ignorant to the real truth of the situation. I hope that is not the case. I do not mean to offend, but I was under the impression that lifting the embargo would help the people of Cuba. The only thing that will help the Cuban people is getting rid of the oppressive regime there, has nothing to do with a US embargo. Cuba is free to trade with every other country in the world except the US so how will the people there benefit from my country?
wabashcr Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 The only thing that will help the Cuban people is getting rid of the oppressive regime there, has nothing to do with a US embargo. Cuba is free to trade with every other country in the world except the US so how will the people there benefit from my country? I agree the primary problem is the Castro regime, but the embargo garners them an awful lot of sympathy both at home and abroad. Things are already starting to change in Cuba. Opening trade with by far the world's largest economy, 90 miles away, will undoubtedly improve Cuba's economy. I'm not naive to US policy. I understand we have a long history of supporting oppressive dictators around the world when it benefits us financially. Unless we've just discovered untapped oil reserves in Cuba, I'm not sure what purpose it would serve to accommodate such long-standing enemies. Therefore I'm more inclined to believe that any lifting of the embargo would be contingent on concessions from the Castros that should lead to more opportunities for the Cuban people in the long run.
Ginseng Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 a long history of supporting oppressive dictators around the world when it benefits us financially. Economic benefit is one driver, however, I think more often the overt goal is geopolitical leverage that, in some cases, results in the stability that enables resource exploitation. Note, I'm not making a value judgment on this, just putting a name to observations to try and stay within the bounds of what's allowable for discussion. Wilkey
Garrettbuckeye Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 The US was the dominant trade partner for Cuba at one time. The country is 90 miles from us. You don't think opening the borders to trade would help? I don't agree.
Garrettbuckeye Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 Cuba is free to trade with every other country in the world except the US so how will the people there benefit from my country?
Geaux Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 I absolutely believe lifting the embargo will help the Cuban people. I understand why reasonable people may disagree, but I think ultimately lifting the embargo will benefit much more than the Castro regime and US investors. I am sadden to hear this, but not surprised. The real issue, I think, is the understanding of communism. Communism is evil. It is set up under a cleaver lie that everybody shares everything. Sounds fair.... But history has proven that communism provides a conduit for the powerful few to get everything and decide what is best for the rest with out their consultation. The majority remains poor and helpless until the peasants can revolt... if they can. It saddens me, because all Americans use to know this. Now we have a good chunk of our country thinking that communism is the preferred way to go. Our children and their children will be slaves to the state in the same way the majority of Cubans are now — should this trend continue. I do not think giving communist controlled countries the benefit of the doubt is ever reasonable. To say that more money poured in to Cuba will eventually help the poor is to give the benefit of the doubt to the Communist Cuban Government. Until somebody can show me where it (communism) has ever worked - I will remain most unreasonable in my postion.
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