dougincanada Posted December 10, 2014 Posted December 10, 2014 Here in Canada. The activist are still at it. They are trying to end regular packaging and flavour infused tobacco products. Thankfully they haven't passed anything yet, but one feels its a matter of time. I think they don't go for a ban because some of these groups would be out of work. So they look for more ways to inconvenience smokers. They say plain packaging reduces smokers, but I think its more of a case of reducing legitimate sales. More smokes from over the border or the native reservation, as a mater of fact my brother gets all of his smokes from the reservation and they are allready plain packaged in a plastic ziplock bag. As it is for me I get most of my cigars from Cuba because for me its cheaper to go there myself and pick up a few boxes, and who doesn't want a tropical vacation? When the taxes were reduced breifly in Ontario, quit a few years ago, government income went up and black market sales went down. But where smoking is concerned, don't expect logic to prevail. Regards, Doug 1
martymonty Posted December 10, 2014 Posted December 10, 2014 Speaking of being logical!!! Going to miss having a nice cigar on the outdoor patio at my fav. bar. It was always so peaceful and enjoyable. This is because as of Jan.1 you can't smoke on outdoor patios anymore in ontario. Welcome to ontario????
leftimatic Posted December 10, 2014 Posted December 10, 2014 Logic and government can not co-exist. Nor will it ever walk the same path with the one sided opinionated zealots, who have a never ending desire to make everyone's life as miserable as their own. It's proven throughout history and will never change. We need to stand up and smoke em if you got em. Worldwide Herf Day.... that would be something. 3
armmmmm Posted December 10, 2014 Posted December 10, 2014 I know we're talking about cigars here but, I was at a gun shop yesterday and man, if you want to hear about the stupidest laws ever, please take a look at California's gun laws. 1
1LegLance Posted December 11, 2014 Posted December 11, 2014 Not trying to be political here... But laws are passed more often because of silence and acceptence than effort by the minority that wants it. If everyone who would get a negative impact would make the calls, write the letters, and play the same political game as the other side then you would see less nanny-state in your life. I see it in regards to smoking, land access, guns and other areas of my life. When I try to fire up others in those hobbies I get a lot of air and no effort. Oh well, such is life today. 4
sactochris Posted December 11, 2014 Posted December 11, 2014 If you live in the United States and smoke cigars you should really consider becoming a member of C.R.A. 1
Maplepie Posted December 11, 2014 Posted December 11, 2014 Add it to the list of things that sounds good for the public ear but in reverse do the exact opposite...
darktower007 Posted December 11, 2014 Posted December 11, 2014 Wish they would keep their paws out of our humidors! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
CanuckSARTech Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 Not trying to be political here... But laws are passed more often because of silence and acceptence than effort by the minority that wants it. If everyone who would get a negative impact would make the calls, write the letters, and play the same political game as the other side then you would see less nanny-state in your life. I see it in regards to smoking, land access, guns and other areas of my life. When I try to fire up others in those hobbies I get a lot of air and no effort. Oh well, such is life today. Very well said, Lance. Agreed wholeheartedly.
Hunter1974 Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Not trying to be political here... But laws are passed more often because of silence and acceptence than effort by the minority that wants it. If everyone who would get a negative impact would make the calls, write the letters, and play the same political game as the other side then you would see less nanny-state in your life. I see it in regards to smoking, land access, guns and other areas of my life. When I try to fire up others in those hobbies I get a lot of air and no effort. Oh well, such is life today. Yep if nothing changes . nothing changes
nick2021 Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 Not trying to be political here... But laws are passed more often because of silence and acceptence than effort by the minority that wants it. If everyone who would get a negative impact would make the calls, write the letters, and play the same political game as the other side then you would see less nanny-state in your life. I see it in regards to smoking, land access, guns and other areas of my life. When I try to fire up others in those hobbies I get a lot of air and no effort. Oh well, such is life today. Agree with this statement---a lot of people tend to be more reactive than proactive!
PigFish Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 There are inherent personality differences between the right and left. I am of course generalizing and discounting individualism. Much of this exists because the political moderate does not understand freedom and won't take a stand on the freedom of others as long as they are left alone. It is easy to be indifferent, allowing the freedom of others erode. If we as a people are not concerned about protecting the rights of our neighbors, and theirs, ours, none will exist for anyone! Freedom generally is taken for granted because most of the populace does not understand it. If freedom does not emanate from a source beyond man and is granted by another man (government or a democracy) it will never be more than a transient state to tyranny... Welcome to tyranny. Tyranny often starts with the step of protecting the population from freedom. If each law was view through this prism, and few will view them that way, we would have much less useless law, less government and be far freer. -the Pig 3
TiminBC Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 I heard a joke that seemed to hit home for Canada. How do you get a bunch of Canadians out of a pool when it really hot like 120 out? Ask them. We sometimes whine but rarely get out of our chair to do anything about it. Perhaps it is the cold weather and out warm homes.
leftimatic Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 There is not a lot a fella can say about this without actually doing something about it. So I had a smoke ( nice big one) last week wondering around a public beach with my brother looking for drift wood. I do it all the time. Especially in the summer. Not one person complains and I could give two shits anyway. We got a saying 'round these parts. When in Merville... Do what you want. Just stay the hell out of my yard.
PigFish Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Okay, I am known for stirring up some political controversy on the site... Where better to start setting the record straight on who is responsible for smoking tyranny other than on a cigar site? I am not here to battle with my leftist friends for the sake of doing battle, however there are many younger members whose minds are open to insight and opinion beyond CNN... and do-gooder group think. We must embrace new smokers and mentor them. And frankly, mentoring does not stop with which cigar to buy first and what ligero means!!! If you guys want to be smoking into the future, you had better start looking beyond just smoking and who is causing the erosion of your rights and loss of your freedoms. I am a cigar activist and I know the target. I heard a story today that some municipalities are going to outlaw sledding/tobogganing. Where the hell have all the 'balls' gone in my country??? A few years ago that would have been joke, like not being able to smoke outside... It is no longer good to be free as long as your car has 14 airbags... What times we live in! -the Pig 2
Fosgate Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Okay, I am known for stirring up some political controversy on the site... Where better to start setting the record straight on who is responsible for smoking tyranny other than on a cigar site? I am not here to battle with my leftist friends for the sake of doing battle, however there are many younger members whose minds are open to insight and opinion beyond CNN... and do-gooder group think. We must embrace new smokers and mentor them. And frankly, mentoring does not stop with which cigar to buy first and what ligero means!!! If you guys want to be smoking into the future, you had better start looking beyond just smoking and who is causing the erosion of your rights and loss of your freedoms. I am a cigar activist and I know the target. I heard a story today that some municipalities are going to outlaw sledding/tobogganing. Where the hell have all the 'balls' gone in my country??? A few years ago that would have been joke, like not being able to smoke outside... It is no longer good to be free as long as your car has 14 airbags... What times we live in! -the Pig Exactly Pig. I for one have had enough of the nanny and the "For the safety of our children" BS. 3
leftimatic Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Exactly Pig. I for one have had enough of the nanny and the "For the safety of our children" BS. I miss my big wheel.
First Lady Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 I miss heading out all day on my bike and being a kid , I loved being a child of the 70's and 80's ... too many rules and paranoia in the world now and you know who is worse is our parents (especially with grandchildren ) my mother was never this paranoid with us girls but now my mother sees evil around every corner I love the freedom and fun I had as a kid 3
LordAnubis Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 I grew up in a country town. There was a group of about 15 of us kids ranging from the ages of 5-12. We all just used to hang out together all day. Ride our bikes, make jumps, break a leg or two, throw boondies at houses (got busted for waking up the night shift workers), steal balls off the golf course during a game, venture into the mine, try and catch snakes, and spiders and birds, jump the fence at the workers camp to use the pool, or play on the pool table or table tennis table, play cricket on the main road of town and everyone including the local cop who came into town once a week would drive around us if we were playing a game. The only rule was no one is to die, and we were to be home and showered before dark (didn't matter whose home, as long as we were indoors). Everything else was fair game. Except that one time we shoved small sticks into the car ignition of the bar owner. We all had to work at the mechanics shop for 2 weeks after that incident. I learnt how to repair a punctured tube from that training at least.
Puros Y Vino Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 I miss my big wheel. I miss my "Green Machine" 1
Vetteman Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 If you guys want to be smoking into the future, you had better start looking beyond just smoking and who is causing the erosion of your rights and loss of your freedoms. I heard a story today that some municipalities are going to outlaw sledding/tobogganing. Where the hell have all the 'balls' gone in my country??? A few years ago that would have been joke, like not being able to smoke outside... It is no longer good to be free as long as your car has 14 airbags... What times we live in! -the Pig Well I know who my number one target is.....lawyers and ltigation laws 1
Susanne Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 I apologize - in advance - for my rant, but growing up in the 60's, the current nanny state loss of freedoms strikes a HUGE nerve... You only lose those freedoms and rights you're willing to let others legislate away from you by not opposing them. Right now we're all socially engineered to not stand out, because it "may hurt someone's feelings", instead of saying "enough is enough" and doing something - speaking up, running for elected office, calling the "ninny nannies" on their control-freakish ways... who purportedly have "your best interests at heart, because you're too ignorant to know what's good for yourself"... Remember as a kid - Riding bikes everywhere, going on campouts with your friends, knowing NOT to get into strangers cars, going shooting (strange, we never shot each other) and/r hunting... Remember NOT having a GPS tracking device or cellphone on your kid to check on them every 15 minutes like a baby monitor? Remember going to a friends house, then from there going out hiking in the woods, or downtown, or to the rail yards, or to the toy store? Now, EVERY OTHER HOUSE but yours is filled with child-molesting sadist serial killers, and every adult looks at every child wanting to do evil things to them (except for you, of course), and NO ONE ANYWHERE is EVER SAFE, because the evening news says so... and we'd better pass some more laws protecting us from ourselves... Sorry for the rant. But honestly (and it doesn't matter if you're in the UK, the US, Canada, Australia, wherever, as long as there are elected offices to run for) if you're not (-a-) willing to make your voice heard, (-b-) speak up when these ninny nannies try to make you bend to their will, or (-c-) take a stand, run for elected office, become a community leader, and MAKE A DIFFERENCE rather than sit back and let the steamroller run you down, smash you flat, and take away the few freedoms you still have (for your own good, of course), then when you wonder why you can't smoke a cigar in your own living room, the only place you can look... is in the mirror. 1
JohnS Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 We have exactly the same issues in Australia except someone came up the the bright idea that 'plain packaging' meant removing bands from cigars!
mikemerry Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 I think all the politicians should be band from smoking and drinking. Since they wrote all of these stupid laws and imposed all the extreme taxes on smoking & drinking. I swear it's a plan to keep all the good stuff for themselves! Living in Ontario has made driving over to Detroit for anything more appealing. Smoking inside, scotch at half the price and a case of beer is $12. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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