Canada Under Terrorist Attack- Breaking

[Ken Gargett]

I would lean more towards every citizen in the west carrying a sidearm so we are ALL part of the protection of our lands instead of security check points and military style police.

with respect, that is the stupidest thing i have heard for a very long time.

[El Presidente]

This is not a gun thread. keep it on topic.

[Shikar]

Jihad is struggling in the name of God. This is NOT jihad.

This is terrorism. I am a Muslim who thinks the guy that did this is a criminal terrorist who should be given the electric chair for this criminal act.

Killing an innocent man is equivalent to killing humanity in Islam. This is not jihad and I can't stand the criminals that use this term to identify themselves under the wrong cover of Islam.

I pray everyone stays safe and the perpetrators are severely punished.

Regards.

[Ken Gargett]

Jihad is struggling in the name of God. This is NOT jihad.

This is terrorism. I am a Muslim who thinks the guy that did this is a criminal terrorist who should be given the electric chair for this criminal act.

Killing an innocent man is equivalent to killing humanity in Islam. This is not jihad and I can't stand the criminals that use this term to identify themselves under the wrong cover of Islam.

I pray everyone stays safe and the perpetrators are severely punished.

Regards.

and that, on the other hand, is extremely well said.

[dvickery]

"What the hell is anybody doing bothering the Canadians? They're sweet and nice people!"

thanks ... but not true ... canada is as "warlike" a nation as there is ,

as to this event ... it as alarming ... but as has been mentioned ... could have been expected .

derrek

[ChanceSchmerr]

I am beyond upset about this.

[Fosgate]

And three girls from Denver got caught in Canada trying to join ISIS. How about instead of threats of marshal law and infringing on freedoms they push the suspected groups and those would be terrorists out of the country.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/us/colorado-teens-syria-odyssey/index.html

[canucks6024]

Prayers and thoughts with brothers and sisters in my capital. IMO, this is not a time for politics.

[Fosgate]

Someone just jumped the White House fence

[MIKA27]

http://youtu.be/kPxuvdUYXmg

[DoubleDD]

Information was passed on to us to expect and be on the watch for "lone wolf" ISIL attacks.

[shlomo]

Jihad is struggling in the name of God. This is NOT jihad.

This is terrorism. I am a Muslim who thinks the guy that did this is a criminal terrorist who should be given the electric chair for this criminal act.

Killing an innocent man is equivalent to killing humanity in Islam. This is not jihad and I can't stand the criminals that use this term to identify themselves under the wrong cover of Islam.

I pray everyone stays safe and the perpetrators are severely punished.

Regards.

There are many definitions for the word jihad. Yours is only one. And one that is infrequently used.

This thread should have nothing to do with religion or guns. Sadly, this news story has everything to do with religion and guns.

Prayers go out to the families of the victims.

[cigcars]

Someone just jumped the White House fence

....again?

[Habana Mike]

Didn't get quite so far this time.

Terrible the events in Canada today though not surprised. There's been threats of lone wolf actions for a while.

Surprised actually it's been this long before we're seeing them.

Unfortunately I doubt they'll be the last.....

[MIKA27]

How Big Is the Canadian Terrorists’ Network?

Canadian officials were quick to finger ISIS in this week’s attacks on government targets. But it’s still not clear whether or not the killers were part of a larger jihadist web.

Terrorists have twice attacked Canadian government targets this week, with a shooting Wednesday at the country’s parliament in Ottawa. Now Canadian and American authorities are trying to learn whether the killers acted alone or were part of a larger extremist network.

The mayhem caused by alleged Ottawa shooter Michael Zehaf-Bibeau occurred just two days after another man, Martin Rouleau-Couture, struck two Canadian soldiers with a car in Quebec -- killing one and wounding another.

Full details on Zehaf-Bibeau are still emerging. But he appears to have been a 32 year-old native of Quebec with a history of legal troubles predating his radicalization. Canadian journalist Domenic Fazioli reported that Zehaf-Bibeau had been arrested a total of five times for drug possession and parole violations.

Former Minister of Public Safety Stockwell Day, who once oversaw Canadian security agencies in cabinet as a member of the ruling Conservative government, said he had independent information that suggested the two suspects visited the same jihadist web forums.

“It is likely there is a digital trail that suggests they accessed some of the same internet chat rooms and websites,” he told The Daily Beast. “It appears the [Parliament Hill shooter] was using some of the same networks as the killer [from earlier this week], who killed an Army officer… And it was interesting that ISIS apparently, or a source identifying themselves as ISIS, had a photo out of this guy in pretty short order.”

Speaking to the nation Wednesday evening, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper was quick to link the shooting on Parliament Hill and the killing of a Canadian soldier earlier this week by “an ISIL-inspired terrorist,” using an alternate acronym for ISIS.

“This week’s events are a grim reminder that Canada is not immune to the types of terrorist attacks we have seen elsewhere around the world,” Harper said, pledging to “fight against the terrorist organizations who brutalize those in other countries with the hope of bringing their savagery to our shores."

Last week, Canadian Security Intelligence Service director Michel Coulombe estimated that 130 people had travelled abroad to join in alleged terrorist activities. 80 people had “returned to Canada after travel abroad for a variety ofsuspected terrorism-related purposes."

"I don't want people to believe that we have 80 returnees who were hard fighters in Iraq and Syria, because that is not the picture we have at the moment,” Coulombe added in testimony before a parliamentary committee.

The head of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Bob Paulson, noted at the same hearing that there were 63 active national security investigations into 90 terror suspects.

"It's nothing for Canadians to be alarmed about," Paulson said.

Though there is not yet any information suggesting that this week’s attackers had coordinated their strikes, there were some obvious similarities between them.

Rouleau-Couture and Zehaf-Bibeau were both reportedly born in Canada and lived in Quebec before recently converted to Islam. Both attackers had previous arrests and were known to Canadian intelligence officials for the suspicion that they might try to join jihadist groups abroad.

Like Rouleau-Couture, the Canadian government had designated Michael Zehaf-Bibeau as a "high-risk traveler" and seized his passport, according to Canada's Globe and Mail.

A key question remaining for Canadian law enforcement is whether the men received any support from ISIS or other terrorist groups, or acted alone in planning and carrying out their attacks.

Just two days ago a top official in the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) acknowledged being stretched thin by the effort to monitor potential threats.

“There’s nothing more that we can do with the budget that we have except to prioritize internally as effectively as we can and I think we’re doing that. Our success rate has been quite good,” said Jeff Yaworski, the CSIS deputy operations director. “I’d be foolhardy to say we’ve got all the bases covered,” Yaworski added. “We do what we can with the budget that we have.”

On Tuesday, before the Parliament Hill shootings, Canada raised its terrorism threat level from low to medium, citing "general chatter" from radical groups like ISIL and al Qaeda. The failure of that system to prevent this attack will be closely eyed as the investigation of the attack develops.

The Department of National Defense identified the soldier that had been shot Wednesday as Cpl. Nathan Cirillo. "This is a shocking and tragic event which reminds us of the real threats posed by those who would do us all harm in the name of radical ideas, beliefs and motives," said Minister of National Defense Rob Nicholson Wednesday evening.

Canadian news sources said the soldier was 24 years old and hailed from Hamilton, Ontario; was a member of the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders of Canada regiment and the father of a six year old son.

Canadian and American officials have been cooperating, and the Prime Minister’s spokesman confirmed that he had spoken briefly with President Barack Obama. Canadian officials had been conferring with their FBI counterparts, and the American agency tweeted its condolences to Canada and their willingness “to assist our partners as they deal with the ongoing situation in their capital.”

[dowjr1]

Canada will be rethinking their security protocols after this. See the picture of the Canadian parliament people who barricaded themselves inside the room using chairs against the doors? The threat is being brought to the West whether we like it or not.

[Hash]

The public must ask hard questions of the governments in Canada and the US , what are they hoping to achieve by bombing Iraq and Syria, is there any clear strategy that is guiding their actions?. Is this the right way to fight terrorism? I am sorry to say that as a result of the war on Iraq many extremist groups were formed by a collusion of the US and Saudia Arabia to counter the rising influence of Iran,which was an unintended consequence of that war, extreme Sunni groups were formed to counter Shites. I refer you to a very good article on the subject by Seymour Hersh "The Redirectin" The New Yorker Magazine of 5 March 2007.And a very recent book on IS by the British journalist Patrick Cockburn, The Jehadis Return.

It saddens me to see innocent people being killed for nothing.It also saddens me that a great religion like Islam that respects all faiths is in the news for all the wrong reasons.

To all our Canadian members be safe.

[jat]

It appears that the people making the headlines, the two in Canada, young guy in Oz shot recently and one 17 yr old from Sydney staring in a recent ISIL video are locals converting to Islam or focusing on extremism.

I wonder what it is about these times that draws people from western societies into actions which they think are adding to the extremist causes?? At the end of the day, security in OZ and Canada will increase and the various agencies will all get additional powers. And we'll still see more of these terrible events.

[cigardude]

I hate the thought of war and killing, but I do believe it is time to strike. if ISIS wants a war we will give it to them and we will win.

[LGC]

I don't know how anyone can think that it might be a good idea to back off from the attacks on these religious extremists. Did people forget what happened on 9/11??? There's nothing worse than people who are happy to kill all humans that don't 100% agree with their perceptions of a religion.

[Shikar]

So a girl hated by the taliban was going to be there too.

The ceremony scheduled to bestow honorary Canadian citizenship on Pakistani Nobel Peace Prize winner Malala Yousufzai was rescheduled after an attack in Ottawa on Wednesday left a soldier dead, the office of Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said.

She is awesome!!!!!

Regards.

[Diamondog]

Reports out of Halifax this morning of a lone gunman spotted...Haiifax city hall on lockdown...

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/10/23/halifax_police_checking_report_of_gunman_sighting_in_downtown.html

[CaptainQuintero]

I don't know how anyone can think that it might be a good idea to back off from the attacks on these religious extremists. Did people forget what happened on 9/11??? There's nothing worse than people who are happy to kill all humans that don't 100% agree with their perceptions of a religion.

I'm not sure what the best policy is now. The horse has already bolted it's too late to take our hands out of the fire. Engaging might be the best way forward but for our governments to believe that there won't be consequences to attacking an asymmetric military group is incredibly shortsighted and ignorant. The sad fact for me is that the huge amount of increased 'security' measures and 'national security charters' that have been passed have drastically changed our way of life, so the terrorists have won; they have got us to change how we live our lives.

I hate the thought of war and killing, but I do believe it is time to strike. if ISIS wants a war we will give it to them and we will win.

I hate to be the cynic here but no one has ever won against a partisan enemy. The French against the Spanish in the Peninsular War, the English against the American Rebels in the War of Independence, the Axis against the Soviet partisans in WW2, the Axis against the French Resistance in WW2, The Axis against the Greeks in WW2, The British against the Israeli Nationalists, the French against the Communists in Indo-China, the US against the Communists in Vietnam, the British against the IRA in Ireland, the Coalition of the supposed most powerful military nations in the history of the world against the Taliban in Afghanistan for 13 years...

The only way these conflicts end is when the public loose commitment to these wars and the 'big' nation has to withdraw and accept defeat or enter into talks to find a solution. It's not how a lot of people want to solve issues nowadays but it's the only proven way. Ireland showed us this, simply put because for every person you kill or maim, you recruit a Father and Son, Uncle etc. In the Coalition air Strikes against ISIS there has already been large numbers of civilian casualties. It's the greatest recruitment tool ISIS could want. The potential for a ground war against Western troops is even more of a rallying call to extremists around the World.

Whatever the solutions were prior to the West getting involved were, most of those options are now off the table. How a solution is supposed to be found now, I have no idea. But a military one obviously won't work. No doubt after countless lives and billions of Dollars have been wasted on this new installment of 'short-sighted foreign policy 101' the enthusiasm will wane and resources will be pulled out and victory will be claimed while ISIS or whatever they will have evolved into will simply walk straight back to where they started, albeit battle hardened and with more hatred. Just like What's happening in Afghanistan now.

History repeats itself for a reason.

It's not as if a Balkanised middle East isn't the actual aim for a lot of nations involved anyway...

I just hope whatever solution is found, as many innocent lives are saved as possible and as much suffering is avoided as possible.

[Puros Y Vino]

Post 9/11, AFAIK the increase in "security" in the USA has not stopped 1 single terrorist attack or brought to light any credible threats or foiled plots. But, citizens lost a whole lot of rights and now have drones flying in their airspace, country wide to look forward to.

It's too early in the game for kneejerk reactions. I will be mad and disappointed if this results in the loss of rights or freedoms for Canadians.

There are too many unanswered questions right now to make rash decisions. I for one can't comprehend how people can get "radicalized" over the internet so easily. So far the two perps fit that model. I fear that current thinking on how to handle terrorism achieves nothing.

I'm not a fan of Harper. I always feel there's a hidden agenda under his belt. And events like this make it easier for him to implement.

[MrGTO]

Gotta love the standing ovation for Sargeant at arms Vickers from the parlement.

I feel for the families of the 2 soldiers killed this week by muslim terroists.