ptrthgr8 Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 Ray... I knew you were an aspiring tyrant! Everything seems so crystal clear to me now. I'm sure your forum monicker has something to do with Animal Farm, too. You know... all aspiring tyrants are equal, but some aspiring tyrants are more equal than others. Cheers, buddy! ~ Greg ~ 1
Guest gerlinan Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 It's too bad that whole thread when down the drain. I think things become much more heated than necessary. I enjoy hearing everyone's opinion on cigars. Whether I not I agree with them, that's my own business. Promoting the world of cigars is in all our best interests. Bashing reviewers seems counterproductive even if people don't agree with their thoughts. The ordinal thread starter seemed to get a little too defensive, but I also think the comments from PigFish were very much out of bounds as well.
PigFish Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 Here we go again, aye? First, that thread is gone. No sense crying over lost threads! Better material than that garbage has been scrubbed from this and other forums! Don’t feel bad mates, I apparently missed, ‘being put in my place.’ Furthermore, my keen sense of fair play, will restrain me from carrying on, ‘now’ knowing my protected status! I have no real desire to last word anyone. I would like to add some general commentary… “A” post above beckons me! It appears, in this Pig’s eye, that we once again have ebbed into the realm of ‘some’ newer members with a message driven comprehension of the written word. It seems to me, that some are more driven by the desire to insult than to comprehend what has been presented. They appear to wish to accuse first, and understand last, if they can or choose to understand at all. That is just one Pig’s opinion. I suggested in the ‘thread’ and do so once more, that one start a thread of his own, representing himself and his own opinion, and not that of a proxy for another. I will repeat; I don’t engage in proxy warfare online. It is a waste of my time… I will choose the time and place to deal with insults and personal attacks. I have survived my share. It comes with the territory. You must post an opinion first to share one, and you should expect that it could bring you respect or loathing; sometimes both. You post at your own peril, for your own benefit! The high ground is not taken by those afraid to exit the foxhole! The challenge still stands. Be yourself and represent your own opinions and take what praise and criticism comes with it. Read what has been written and write with enough care to be understood. Read twice or thrice before assuming your fellow member is attacking you. Look for his or her message, rather than a message you wish to supplant… This advice that I give, is that advice I too follow. It has proven to make me more friends than enemies online. It has allowed me to know others and allowed them to know me. I have my share of respect, and certainly some loathing from many a member here. I can attest to the fact that I am not “universally” loved! I am honored by the respect given me by many of my peers. It is not a gift. I have worked for it… I am happy to discuss all forms of topics with assenters and dissenters alike and many of them with me. I have found common ground with many that have agreed to disagree. It is not unilateral. They have treated me with the respect that I have given them. I have survived my share of McTossers! They are neither few nor far between. The fraternity here amongst the members of this community, this commonality amongst these of diverse minds, means that the McTossers don’t last here for very long…! That is not Piggy’s law nor Piggy’s rule, nor Piggy’s protected status talking. That is the community, taking care of herself. Cheers -the Protected Pig 3
Colt45 Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 A tango cannot be danced solo. Nor for that matter, the mamushka.
PigFish Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 A tango cannot be danced solo. Nor for that matter, the mamushka. Video pixies, guardians of the just cause, conjured by the gods of videologues will curse your children's children…! Be warned, tyrant… For lovers of video, my suggestion would be to rent "The Paper Chase" and learn a little about the difference between nature's law and limited license! -LOL -Piggy
Skyfall Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 A tango cannot be danced solo. Nor for that matter, the mamushka. The Macarena can!!!
leftimatic Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 I love how this person preaches about freedom, censorship, etc., but then cries about the fact that someone else expressed their opinion . . . They also seem to have just discovered http://www.thesaurus.com/ I was just thinking how Ray got the hell bashed out of him for speaking his mind. I said it before I'll say it again if you don't want an opinion don't ask for one. Long live the Red Pig!!!
Colt45 Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 The Macarena can!!! So can the lambada, but it's really not as fun alone. When I'm groovin' solo, it's usually the watusi or bunny hop. When I'm really feelin' it, I can't help but get my Kozak on.....
PigFish Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 So can the lambada, but it's really not as fun alone. When I'm groovin' solo, it's usually the watusi or bunny hop. When I'm really feelin' it, I can't help but get my Kozak on..... … but, at least, some have the guts, to put it on YouBoob! Whatdaya' think of that… you tyrant??? -LOL
PigFish Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 I was just thinking how Ray got the hell bashed out of him for speaking his mind. I said it before I'll say it again if you don't want an opinion don't ask for one. Long live the Red Pig!!! Thanks for the support my friend… Don't spread it on too thick, you'll make me blush… I think that most of the membership probably know by now, Piggy and innocent, are two words that don't really belong in the same sentence! -LOL Bless my friends on FoH, rose glasses and all! -Piggy
CanuckSARTech Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 Why would you piss and moan about a forum you're posting on? LOL. Awesome.
CUBANO Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 The only "Red" I like is the Red Pig. LOL. Stay true mi Amigo.
CanuckSARTech Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 …I say we dawn matching, red, Che sweatshirts, remove our socks, set off some smoke detectors and get drunk with absolute power!!! LOL... Can we have the thread re-instated? Please? As Ray said, spilt milk at this point. However, I was pretty heavily involved in that thread too. Thank gawd the red elitist Czar and Pig have taken all the heat for that!!!!! Please elaborate on why you think it was a "fake" rebuttal via proxy. Ahhhh, someone rises.... It wasn't a fake rebuttal. It was via proxy. No matter regardless. Again, I have no problem with anyone promoting the world of cigars. Good luck to them. In fact go for it! I have a problem with a 5 minute veteran teeing off like a blind folded kid chasing a pinata. Great idea hiring Ken to be my official " Councel of Correspondence". He could handle both the correspondence part and the part after I get sued.....resulting from the correspondence he sent. Herein is the crutch of that whole thread... (When it disappeared, I messaged Frank right away, LOL, as I thought he got rid of my posts! LOL.) I'll state again that just because someone has a YouTube show does not automatically make them an expert and "therefore his opinion trumps yours" to anyone else is BS. If you haven't been a member here long enough to know Ray's humour (and therefore understand that while he was harsh, he wasn't actually being mean or hateful), then you definitely haven't been here long enough to know whether or not the Doctor's (and I use that term very loosely) opinion should trump Ray's, much less anyone else's. I think our issue all resided with because we didn't agree with his show, that it meant our opinion was wrong. Not the case at all, and not the case either for the other way around. However, Joe put up his video on YouTube, expect criticism, constructive or otherwise. And that's what I had a main issue with - when you proxy posted Joe's comments back to us and Ray. THAT went WAY over the line, IMO. First off, while Ray was harsh, he was not personally insulting, IMO. What Joe had you post for him was loads of name calling and personal insults. If (as he stated) he's had thousands of views and comments and Ray's were the only ones negative to that nature, and then he lashed out how he did and had you post for him (which I can also see why certain people would question if it's really by proxy or by disguise), then there's NO WAY or reason why he should have reacted like that. The personal name calling and such, and posting it in the way he did - man, that just chapped my ass! As others have said here - have the balls to stand up personally and act like a grown up when you do it. I really don't like either that the whole thread was deleted. I myself always instead prefer to see a moderator post a comment explaining why it's being done, but then to simply lock the thread. I find that if individual offending posts start getting deleted, everything gets all jumbled up and missed. But then if a whole thread is deleted, unfortunately, it leads to some people's actions and attitudes being "lost in the shadows" so to speak, and something that the vast majority of members are unaware of. Sometimes that's a good thing, but not with these types of posts, IMO. However, this is all just my opinion and I'm not management here - they do a damn good job considering all that's on their plate, and this forum has some of the best moderation around, on many forum types. But I think the big issue is the proxy posting, in the nature it was done, and with what was posted. Very VERY uncouth and uncalled for. 4
PigFish Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 The only "Red" I like is the Red Pig. LOL. Stay true mi Amigo. … pink is looks better on me, it softens my curves and it complements my fuzzy snout! Thanks for the support my friend! -the Pinko Piggy
stogieluver Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 My first reaction to that thread was that this was Dr. Joe promoting his show. 1
MIKA27 Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 Stuff so good it can't be made up We should also consider the idea that Prez an Piggy (and Ken since we're at if) are actually one and the same individual, using different personas for trolling purposes Cheers! No one can impersonate Ken....
MIKA27 Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 I posted a thread about a show I've been watching on Youtube in order to get some feedback. The thread was completely sabotaged by user 'Pigfish' and thus removed a few days later. It seems to me that 'Pigfish' happens to be a close confidant of yours on this forum. Is this how the forum works? I find these actions beneath even the lowest form of government censorship propaganda. That you and user 'Pigfish' abetted each other in collusion to sabotage a thread that was as harmless as it was informative, is an act as reprehensible as it is despicable. What are you two? Some kind of sick elitist scum? People who believe their own ideas are superior to those of others? I hope both of you are intelligent enough to understand that the suppression of knowledge and free thinking is the first step towards tyranny. But that is a dubious hope at best You forgot to post a picture of this guy hiding out in his bunker... And he forgot to say the word Ïnfidel beacuse he pretty much said everything else.
CanuckSARTech Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 LOL, Mika - you need to take a "respect in ethnic diversity" course, amigo!!!! LOL. 1
MIKA27 Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 LOL, Mika - you need to take a "respect in ethnic diversity" course, amigo!!!! LOL. Mate I live and breathe in Melbourne, we are one of the biggest multicultural group of people you can find anywhere on the Earth. I myself am European. I respect all walks of life except for those who come across like the d**khead in Robs initial post. Sorry, that guys rant just came across as if he were bunkered up and posting behind his mums skirt. 1
jabster Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Can't we go back to talking about cigar related topics. Like why does Ken have 30000 liters of water in plastic bottles. It's eating me up inside! Why 2
leftimatic Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Waiting patiently for a second hand long winded retort from Dr.Joe. It would seem fitting about now. Please leave the special needs children out of it this time. 1
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