Scottish Independence - How would you vote?

[ptrthgr8]

Not sure which end of the stick you've got Scots are British and have their own parliament. They voted in a party who said they would hold a referendum on continued membership of being part of the UK (Being British). They voted to stay part of Britain. They didn't need to ask anyone for approval for anything.

I was referring to potpest's post where the following was written:

The referendum is set out in the Edinburgh Agreement which stated there must be a vote by the end of 2014. There is no arrangement for another referendum and according to the scottish government it was a once in a generation opportunity. There needs to be an bill passed between the scottish and english governments to have another, I don't think there is a set time scale.

Assuming that is correct/accurate, I read that to mean that the Scots would need to pass legislation with the English in order to have another referendum for secession. Is that accurate?

I guess I always thought the Brits = English, Scots = Scots, Irish = Irish, Welsh = Welsh. Never really though about it beyond that, but I suppose it makes perfectly good sense that Brits = UK and English = English. So thanks for catching that for me.

Cheers,

~ Greg ~

[CaptainQuintero]

I was referring to potpest's post where the following was written:

Assuming that is correct/accurate, I read that to mean that the Scots would need to pass legislation with the English in order to have another referendum for secession. Is that accurate?

I guess I always thought the Brits = English, Scots = Scots, Irish = Irish, Welsh = Welsh. Never really though about it beyond that, but I suppose it makes perfectly good sense that Brits = UK and English = English. So thanks for catching that for me.

Cheers,

~ Greg ~

It's a lot of rubber stamping essentially, like after an election the queen summons the winner and asks him to form anew government. She also has to be asked before the armed forces can be deployed, but it's essentially protocol and ceremonial. But a stop gap incase the pm is acting not in the interests of the people.

If there is a public mandate for anything in any of the home nations then they essentially get it the people vote for it, there is just a formal signing off for legal reasons. If in the next elections a party said they will put another vote for independence and if they are elected then the same thing would happen, the Scottish first minister would meet with the pm to arrange a timetable and organise the affair. Kind of like asking a girl's father for permission to marry her, it's just good manners but if the dad says no, its still going to happen in reality. It just helps keep things civil lol

technically the pm could ignore him, just as the queen can still technically dissolve parliament at will. Doing so would trigger a crisis and most likely huge civil unrest so it doesn't happen.

The power is still there at the monarch and pm levels as last resort on lots of issues eg if the queen thinks a pm is corrupt or has lost validity to govern but wont step down, she can dissolve parliament to trigger a new election. Similarly the pm could ignore a Scottish call for a new vote on independence, if for example the Scottish first minister decided to ask for weekly non-stop referendums until he got the decision he wanted and was ignoring the vote results.

[ptrthgr8]

Seems complicated. But in an expected sort of way.

Thanks for the background.

~ Greg ~

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[Maplepie]

Whoa, man. Pump the brakes a little, k? I think you may have read a bit too much into what I posted.

just a drip of moderation here:

Chris is normally a very cool bloke. He just moved to England (as per his old thread a while back). Perhaps something he's witnessed first hand there was sparked by that? Just a tad emotional, i guess - don't let it taint the way you see him.

Chris, same can be said about Greg, too .

[ptrthgr8]

What's this? I didn't just move to England.

No harm, no foul. We're all brothers here and something as serious as secession can certainly bring tension or emotions to the front. I was really just viewing the moment from that of a casual observer, but someone who's closer to the situation would certainly be justified in being more serious about the matter. I meant no harm or offense at all, nor did I take any. So we're all good.

Cheers!

~ Greg ~

[Susanne]

The biggest problem I see with with separatist movements is the notion that 50%+1 will make a nation. I have no idea what the formula is for Scotland, but 50+1 is a recipe for strife. 90% in favor is a go IMHO.

Alan

With the vote turning out the way it did (strangely similar to the poll here... hmmm... ) I would say there's still gonna be a lot of strife after this. Notice how both sides are saying, essentially, "keep calm and carry on"? I suspect the real possibility of a somewhat less-than-peaceful reaction was expected had the vote gone the way it eventiually did.

It wasn't an overwhelming majority either way. It's too bad we can't see the demographics of who voted which way, especially age-wise...

Of course... had it gone the other way, I could see a repercussive elelemt flaring hard in a certain island west of Scotland/England... known for being voilently split in 2.

[ayepatz]

Thanks all for you votes and opinions.

Very interesting after what's been huge week.

In response to the most recent posts, there was a very unseemly clash in Glasgow's George Square last night, between some Yes supporters, and a bunch of flare-wielding, Nazi-saluting skinheads brandishing Union flags.

Thankfully it was just 100 or so idiots out of 5.4 million citizens, 80% of whom turned out to vote.

[Pixa]

Thanks all for you votes and opinions.

Very interesting after what's been huge week.

In response to the most recent posts, there was a very unseemly clash in Glasgow's George Square last night, between some Yes supporters, and a bunch of flare-wielding, Nazi-saluting skinheads brandishing Union flags.

Thankfully it was just 100 or so idiots out of 5.4 million citizens, 80% of whom turned out to vote.

From what I seen there was neo nazi no supporters attacking and chasing yes supporters including middle age men chasing teenage girls would not really class that as one side clashing with another.

[CanuckSARTech]

just a drip of moderation here:

Chris is normally a very cool bloke. He just moved to England (as per his old thread a while back). Perhaps something he's witnessed first hand there was sparked by that? Just a tad emotional, i guess - don't let it taint the way you see him.

Chris, same can be said about Greg, too .

Not to sound like a plick, but you're really moving fast into your self-proclaimed roles here, aren't you???

[Maplepie]

Not to sound like a plick, but you're really moving fast into your self-proclaimed roles here, aren't you???

Never like a plick (prick?). Just my nature to get into a middle ground with confrontations when I can - especially when I have nothing useful to say on certain subjects. Either due to apathy or ignorance! (my previous comments on this very thread are proof of that!)

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[helix]

Despite all that , the vote here reflected the outcome.