Skyfall Posted February 14, 2014 Author Posted February 14, 2014 This thread just took a turn for the whatever... I was simply saying, I don't care if they play sports or whatever career they choose. I in no way endorsed that I agreed, accepted or approved of the lifestyle choice. Why is it always the first thing a crusader brings up is the comparison to race??? I've never understood this. It's illogical and irrational. Race is not a choice or a biblical sin.
pwhite Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Buster, you are correct, homosexuality has been around forever. Secondly, sexual identity is not an outward expression of ones self as is race or gender. Lastly, Phil Robertson did not compare homosexuality to bestiality, they are obviously two different acts, however, he lumped them together as a issues of sin, he also included heterosexual sex within the statement. Phil Robertson was paraphrasing scripture, I Corinthians. Either you believe that the Bible is the word of God or you do not. If you do, then you believe it is unnatural, if you don't well then I guess anything goes.
DrunkenMonkey Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Either you believe that the Bible is the word of God or you do not. If you do, then you believe it is unnatural, if you don't well then I guess anything goes. Just to be clear, are you really saying that anyone who doesn't believe that the Bible is the word of God is totally without moral compass? Do you really think that people who are not Christian are morally inferior to you?
Skyfall Posted February 14, 2014 Author Posted February 14, 2014 This is going down a bad road, let's all keep it cordial.
Skyfall Posted February 14, 2014 Author Posted February 14, 2014 A Russian, a Cuban, an American and a lawyer are riding on a train. The Russian takes out a bottle of the best vodka out of his pack; pours some into a glass, drinks it, and says: "In USSR, we have the best vodka of the world, nowhere in the world you can find vodka as good as the one we produce in Ukrainia. And we have so much of it, that we can just throw it away..." Saying that, he goes to a window and throw the rest of the bottle through it. T he others are quite impressed. The Cuban then pulls out a pack of Havanas, takes one of them, lights it and begins to smoke it saying: "In Cuba, we have the best cigars of the world: Havanas, nowhere in the world are there such good cigars and we have so many of them, that we can just throw them away..." Saying that, he throws the pack of cigars through the window as the Conductor approaches. One more time, everybody is quite impressed. Slowly, the American just stands up, with a superior smile. He opens the window, and throws the lawyer through it... 1
Skyfall Posted February 14, 2014 Author Posted February 14, 2014 A guy traveling through the prairies of the USA stopped at a small town and went to a bar. He stood at the end of the bar, ordered a drink, and lit up a cigar. As he sipped his drink, he stood there quietly blowing smoke rings. After he blew nine or ten smoke rings into the air, an angry American Indian stomped up to him and said, "One more remark like that and I'll smash your face in!" 1
Skyfall Posted February 14, 2014 Author Posted February 14, 2014 Two friends were playing golf when one pulled out a cigar but he did not have a lighter so he asked his friend if he had one. "I sure do," he replied and reached into his golf bag and pulled out a 12 inch Bic lighter. "Wow!" said his friend, "Where did you get that monster?" "I got it from my genie." "You have a genie?" he asked. "Yes, he is right here in my golf bag." "Could I see him?" He opened his golf bag and out popped the genie. The friend turned to the genie and said, "I am a good friend of your master. Will you grant me one wish?" "Yes I will," the genie said. "I wish for a million bucks!" The genie hopped back into the golf bag and left him standing there waiting for his wish to be delivered. Suddenly the sky began to darken and the sound of a million ducks flying overhead was heard. The friend turned to his golfing partner, "I asked for a million bucks not ducks!" "I forgot to tell you the genie is hard of hearing. Do you really think I asked him for a 12 inch Bic?"
buster Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 I do find it interesting how scripture is picked and chosen to be adhered to or not. My last post... as Skyfall said, the thread has gotten off-track. I support his original post, plain and simple: "I don't have a problem with gays playing sports." Plain and simple. Rick
pwhite Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Not at all Drunken Monkey. You don't have to be a Christian to have a sound moral compass. I know atheists that are better people then many so called Christians. What I am saying is that Phis Robertson was quoting Christian scripture. If you believe that the Bible is God's word then you would have to agree with Phil Robertson. Sorry if you think that I am putting down any person or religion. I am simply stating that Robertson was consistent with scripture.
Wil Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 A guy traveling through the prairies of the USA stopped at a small town and went to a bar. He stood at the end of the bar, ordered a drink, and lit up a cigar. As he sipped his drink, he stood there quietly blowing smoke rings. After he blew nine or ten smoke rings into the air, an angry American Indian stomped up to him and said, "One more remark like that and I'll smash your face in!"
pwhite Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Buster, I agree the post has gotten off track, sorry if I was the cause. Personally, I couldn't care less if homosexuals played in the NFL, I don't care what their sexual preference is.
El Presidente Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 For the love of God "Compassion and Understanding" Believe what you believe. Let live what you can on the premise no man or woman hurts anyone else. 1
Guest rob Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 For the love of God "Compassion and Understanding" And if I may add, Respect.
Ken Gargett Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 we do see Buster, you are correct, homosexuality has been around forever. Secondly, sexual identity is not an outward expression of ones self as is race or gender. Lastly, Phil Robertson did not compare homosexuality to bestiality, they are obviously two different acts, however, he lumped them together as a issues of sin, he also included heterosexual sex within the statement. Phil Robertson was paraphrasing scripture, I Corinthians. Either you believe that the Bible is the word of God or you do not. If you do, then you believe it is unnatural, if you don't well then I guess anything goes. i am, hopefully with respect, jumping in here. i understand that there are people who take the bible literally. they are entitled to do so, though to me, that is like reading tolkien and expecting to find hobbits in new zealand. i understand some take from the bible whatever suits them. again, fair enough but to me, that is like deciding you'll find hobbits but not orcs. given that the bible was written/compiled/imagined/whatever suits your beliefs, hundreds of years after jesus wandered around galilee, it is beyond me to see it as anything more than a possible version of a long distant life (remembering that the records from centuries earlier would have been so flimsy that they would be laughed out of court today), but more importantly, a form of morals for that day. and fair enough. that is the part that is possibly valuable. but anyone suggesting that a failure to "believe in the bible" means "anything goes" is, with respect, so monumentally misguided that it is really troubling. my mother is reasonably "religious" (not terribly happy with my thoughts on religion, basically various cults which may have done a lot of good at times but something which has also been the most pernicious and destructive force throughout history). my father was not religious. and yet, i have never met, nor have i ever seen evidence of any human on this planet who had a stronger moral compass. i didn't agree with all his views but i could not name a priest who led a more incorruptible, decent and honourable life (yes, he was my father and so impossible for me to be unbiased but i'll stand by it). as far as i am concerned, anyone using some ancient work of fiction to castigate a brave young man is a disgrace (with respect). 4
Skyfall Posted February 14, 2014 Author Posted February 14, 2014 Kenny G, I hope you don't get buried in a sweater.......it's going to be hot where you're going! They need to just lay you low in a swim suit and some flip flops! Love You Ken
Ken Gargett Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Kenny G, I hope you don't get buried in a sweater.......it's going to be hot where you're going! They need to just lay you low in a swim suit and some flip flops! Love You Ken fair point but i suspect i'd be heading that way even if i believed every word of it. at least i know i'm in for some good company!
Skyfall Posted February 14, 2014 Author Posted February 14, 2014 fair point but i suspect i'd be heading that way even if i believed every word of it. at least i know i'm in for some good company! Yeah, tell Bruce high for me when you get there!
Ken Gargett Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Yeah, tell Bruce high for me when you get there! now he is one of the very few reasons to believe in a higher power.
Skyfall Posted February 14, 2014 Author Posted February 14, 2014 now he is one of the very few reasons to believe in a higher power.
smll2 Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 The real question is, why is this a story? Why does someone need to make a public profession of their sexuality? This isn't Jackie Robinson. Race in and of itself is a statement of ones self, sexual gender is not. The overriding issue here is that if you are against homosexuality, you are labeled a "homophobe", i.e. Phil Robertson from Duck Dynasty. In this day and age is it not alright to disagree with a homosexual lifestyle? It seems that there is a move is to "normalize" homosexuality, whether in the schools, i.e. "Heather has Two Mommies", or with legislation passed against the will of the people, i.e. *** marriage. If you do not agree with the life style you are labeled a homophobe. However, I'll stick with the label of Christian. At the end of the day I believe the message of the Bible is LOVE THY NEIGHBOR! This is about Jackie,and all races, religious cultures and peoples sexual preferences within reason. You can't do my dog! I don't buy into the Bible literally. I do believe we should love our *** and lesbian neighbors without judging.
Ken Gargett Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 i have no issue with whatever beliefs one wants to hold, provided they don't impact adversely on others. but surely the bible actually includes so much violence that sam peckinpah would be jealous. i would have thought that the 'love thy neighbour' message is more one of the themes of christianity (and other religions and also views of others who do not follow any religions) rather than instructions from a book. the bible would also seem to offer a fair number of mixed messages. as a small, but pertinent to this thread, example, some will argue that the bible opposes homosexuality. others seem to think it does not. it seems to me that people use it to suit whatever view they want. but seriously, so if the bible is the word of god (and i really do mean this seriously), how can we have such a confused message? and so many of them? to me, the moral compass comes from within. you know what is right and what is wrong. how you should act and how you should treat people and hopefully we live up to that. we get examples from family and friends and role models. it does not come from an ancient book. as a former lawyer, using a book in that manner just screams loopholes. however, if others find it there, good luck, but i honestly simply don't get that.
SteveGriff Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Well, it's interesting to see that we have had a player from the NFL and Rugby here in Wales "come out". How long will it take for a player in Football Premier League to do the same? There are still some sports where players are afraid to come out.
Ken Gargett Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 ian roberts came out in the NRL years ago. and there have been few tougher and more talented to grace a field. would have been a very brave man to ridicule him.
canadianbeaver Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 This dog walks into a saloon, climbs up onto a bar stool and asked the bartender for a shot of single malt, neat. The bartender tells him to get lost, they don't serve dogs in here. Unimpressed, the dog asks again. "I said, I"ll have a single malt, neat, please!". And with that, the bartender takes out his pistol, shoots the dog in the foot. He falls of his stool and limps out of the bar. The next day, the doors of the salon swing open and in walks the dog. Black boots. Black leather chaps, jacket, black hat, leather belt, holster and pointing two silver six shooters at the bartender. He's got a tough looking cigar but he just looks straight at him and says, "Are you the one that shot my Paw?". Ha! Came in on the second page and thought this was a page of cigar jokes. If you ever saw Robin Williams in concert 25 years ago, he did this bit about *** guys in pro football. He bent over like he was calling the numbers. 24!!46!32!28!... 5-6-7-8 then he started dancing like in a chorus line!!
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