khomeinist Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I was going to allude to this in my earlier post but decided to cut it short. Since you brought it up, this is the thing that i hate about modern rap which is garbage. All of them glorify materialism and consumerism to the demographic who cannot afford it which happens to be their main audience and its bothersome to me it is a mere reallocation of wealth amongst their people. All of these aspiring rappers everywhere cluelessly buying cheap champagne and wearing what the rappers promote all to symbolize and glorify that image of pimping and hustling instead of educating. It is pretty despicable, if you want real hip hop you need to listen to underground. I dunno. This is a complicated issue. Not calling you out specifically my man but I know some fairly smart people who might disagree with this type of characterization. I gotta call a LA herf this year. My homeboy teaches critical race theory in SoCal. We can chop up some of this stuff at that rum bar or Grand Havana.
dicko Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Im glad a celebrity is publicly backing a cigar product. I south I'll try one at that price though.
DrunkenMonkey Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 The man recites all of his lyrics from memory and doesn't write any of them down(10 albums worth of material). Shattered Elvis's album sales records and I believe the Beetles as well. Even if you aren't a fan of his music you must admit he's doing something right...He's talented. He recites 10 albums worth of lyrics from memory. That's great. Did you know there are people alive who have played the entire cycle of Beethoven piano sonatas from memory? Please.
ramon_cojones Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I dunno. This is a complicated issue. Not calling you out specifically my man but I know some fairly smart people who might disagree with this type of characterization. I gotta call a LA herf this year. My homeboy teaches critical race theory in SoCal. We can chop up some of this stuff at that rum bar or Grand Havana. I'd rather talk about cigars and sports. And scotch. Firstly women. Let me know when and I'll get some guys together.
Cohiba Stevie Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I suppose cigar culture has and always will have a remaining very small vein of tossers and douchebaggery... Here its demonstrated not by jay z and his entrepeneurship, but by some of the crass and tasteless comments in this thread. 2
CBL Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I hope these pictures won't upset anyone too much: Cohiba in British Colombia at the Pemberton Music Festival during an interview with Nardwuar Partagas D4 A Hoyo Epicure? We're talking about an endorsement here, it has nothing to do with what he actually smokes. If Jay Z came out and said he only smokes Cubans, he'd be breaking the law in the US, and you've seen what happened when he just visited Cuba and the incredible backlash he got for that, which I don't get because James Suckling goes there fairly often, Anthony Bourdain did an episode there, and I'm pretty sure we've had American forum members visit the island.... Again, this is an endorsement. Most of you follow some type of sport and probably have a team you've supported your entire life, all those athletes endorse any and all products that are offered to them, do you drop your support of a team or a player because he/she is trying to sell sugary drinks or cereals? Or turn off the TV because one of the players is supporting a 'foreign' car? I'd never thought it'd be harder to convince people that Jay Z and rap in general is a legitimate form of entertainment, than it would be to convince people that there's nothing wrong with smoking. In the words of Chris Rock: "I LOVE rap, but I'm tired of defending it" 1
HabanoHam Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 He recites 10 albums worth of lyrics from memory. That's great. Did you know there are people alive who have played the entire cycle of Beethoven piano sonatas from memory? Please. Sorry... I should've said "composed" all of his albums from memory. All of the material is his own and no one else. He hasn't wrote down ideas or lyrics at all during the creative or recording process since his first album. Hopefully that sheds a bit more light on the man's talent Here's a little more information on his creative process: http://www.mtv.com/n...wn-lyrics.jhtml
jangoman88 Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I do love an entrepreneur http://blogs.wsj.com...s-selling-them/ I will shoot a Cohiba Robusto for to the first member who reviews it with pictures Can a hip-hop mogul be the next big thing in stogies? Jay Z is about to find out. In recent weeks, the music icon, who’s nominated for nine Grammy Awards and is reportedly set to appear on tonight’s show, has launched Comador, a “super premium” cigar developed in partnership with the Virginia-basedGeneral Cigar Company — in particular, its Cohiba label. And as befitting an artist who’s been behind everything from a $78 Brooklyn-themed sweatshirt to a $750 million basketball team, this is a smoke with a pedigree – and a serious price tag. Comadors are made with “rare, proprietary tobaccos” and packaged in a “contemporary, urbane” way, says General Cigar. A set of 14, boxed in a limited-edition Comador Humidor, will set you back $999. Even a simply packaged set of seven Comadors runs $210 – or $30 a cigar. “I worked with Cohiba because I knew they’d take my vision of a luxury cigar and bring it to life in the right way,” Jay Z said in a statement. Jay Z is no stranger to the world of stogies. He’s been on the cover of Cigar Aficionado magazine. And he’s taken to bringing his own cigar roller on tour with him. As he told the magazine, his tastes in cigars are pretty wide-ranging: “I like them bigger but mild. It gives the appearance of smoking something heavy — but it’s not. It’s just relaxing. I don’t know the lingo — like ‘It’s got an oaky flavor,’ stuff like that. It’s just based on what I like. No one schooled me in cigars, like no one schooled me in how to buy art or drink wine.” For the partnership with Cohiba/General Cigar, Jay Z met with the brand’s leadership team and shared details about some of his favorite smokes. From there, the brand just “blended and mixed” different cigars until it came up with a smoke that Jay Z was proud to put his name on, says General Cigar President Dan Carr. “He knows what he likes when he sees it,” Carr adds. Specifically, the Comador is made with hand-selected tobacco leaves from the Caribbean and Central America, combined with what’s billed as a rare Connecticut wrapper “prized for its exquisite flavor and deep, lustrous appearance.” (A wrapper is what indeed gives a cigar much of its taste, and wrappers sourced from the state of Connecticut – and in this case, from Havana seed — can be among the best.) All that said, this is an easy (and mild-tasting) smoke to appreciate – in other words, you don’t need to be a bona fide connoisseur to enjoy it. It also burns slowly and evenly,another hallmark of a well-made stogie. Of course, there’s still the question of whether it’s appropriate for a celebrity to be endorsing a tobacco product. True, cigars don’t have quite the same social stigma as cigarettes, but they still carry health risks. The issue came up when Snoop Dogg launched a line of small cigars (or cigarillos). But it also appears that cigar-smoking celebrities get a free pass – if anything, the cover placement in Cigar Aficionado has become something of a celebrity rite of passage. Either way, Jay Z appears to be giving his cigar line his best shot. “We’re viewing this as a long-term partnership,” says Dan Carr of General Cigar. I bet it would taste like Sh*t
PapaDisco Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I do love an entrepreneur http://blogs.wsj.com...s-selling-them/ I will shoot a Cohiba Robusto for to the first member who reviews it with pictures "Shoot a Robusto?" Why make the Robusto suffer? Or are you going all gangsta on us? Aficionados will naturally have a strong reaction to the someone claiming expertise in a craft merely because of the size of their persona.
mgravito Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I love Jay-Z's music (up until Kingdom Come, anyway) and I can't blame the guy for being a savvy business man. General probably threw a boatload of money to push their crap around and he accepted. I can't blame the guy for that. He'll just enjoy CC without the band now to avoid any potential conflicts of interest.
PapaDisco Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I love Jay-Z's music (up until Kingdom Come, anyway) and I can't blame the guy for being a savvy business man. General probably threw a boatload of money to push their crap around and he accepted. I can't blame the guy for that. He'll just enjoy CC without the band now to avoid any potential conflicts of interest. Ah, but see I think he (and every other opportunist) SHOULD be blamed for it, and I'm not a Jay-Z hater. Cashing in on your personality by pretending expertise in other fields, foisting branded products you had little or nothing to do with off on your fan base is cynical opportunism, not savvy business. That's just my way of doing business, and I realize that in this day and age it's pretty old school, but I believe in craft, professionalism, experience and skill. All that and charging a fair price, not charging whatever I can get away with.
DrunkenMonkey Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Ah, but see I think he (and every other opportunist) SHOULD be blamed for it, and I'm not a Jay-Z hater. Cashing in on your personality by pretending expertise in other fields, foisting branded products you had little or nothing to do with off on your fan base is cynical opportunism, not savvy business. That's just my way of doing business, and I realize that in this day and age it's pretty old school, but I believe in craft, professionalism, experience and skill. All that and charging a fair price, not charging whatever I can get away with. If there are people who want to buy super expensive cigars with his name on the band, why shouldn't he take their money? If people want a product and you (and only you) can supply it, what's wrong with selling it? What do you think is important to his target market, good cigars? He's supplying them with what they want.
Colt45 Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 'Cause I'm young and I'm black and my hat's real low......
Cohiba Stevie Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 'Cause I'm young and I'm black and my hat's real low...... "Do I look like I mind reader sir? I don't know, am I under arrest or should I get some mo?"
PapaDisco Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 If there are people who want to buy super expensive cigars with his name on the band, why shouldn't he take their money? If people want a product and you (and only you) can supply it, what's wrong with selling it? What do you think is important to his target market, good cigars? He's supplying them with what they want. Because it's unethical and immoral. I realize that in this consumer driven age it's all the rage to say simplistic things like "supply and demand" and "buyer beware" and "free market" and think those things actually equate to a functioning economic model, but it is irresponsible to society, and personally unethical to separate people from their money just because you can. That's hucksterism at best, and outright con man at worst. Supposedly there's a sucker born every minute, that doesn't grant the rest of us the right to take advantage of them, nor is it beneficial for society. Make good and useful products and services based on skill, knowledge and expertise and charge a fair price. If that's what is going and coming around then it's a pleasure doing business. "Looking out for Number 1" and "charging whatever the market will bear" is the worst interpretation of Adam Smith, and a miserable way to live. All in my humble opinion of course! 1
Cohiba Stevie Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Because it's unethical and immoral. I realize that in this consumer driven age it's all the rage to say simplistic things like "supply and demand" and "buyer beware" and "free market" and think those things actually equate to a functioning economic model, but it is irresponsible to society, and personally unethical to separate people from their money just because you can. That's hucksterism at best, and outright con man at worst. Supposedly there's a sucker born every minute, that doesn't grant the rest of us the right to take advantage of them, nor is it beneficial for society. Make good and useful products and services based on skill, knowledge and expertise and charge a fair price. If that's what is going and coming around then it's a pleasure doing business. "Looking out for Number 1" and "charging whatever the market will bear" is the worst interpretation of Adam Smith, and a miserable way to live. All in my humble opinion of course! You mentioned just a few posts ago that jay z is cashing in on his persona to sell cigars... When it's extremely well documented that jay z is a passionate cigar smoker and this is a personal endeavour for him. Jay zs debut album, reasonable doubt is considered in the top 5 of all rap albums ever made and one of the best albums ever made by rolling stone, google the cover of it and tell me what you see, you can't even see his face... A slowly burning cigar takes prominence. Where did jay z visit last year in a very controversial trip that made headline news? How many times has jay z been photographed smoking cuban cigars as demonstrated in a few posts earlier? How many times has he been interviewed where explains his love of cigars? So please explain how jay z, a man who has deservedly quite a lot of disposable income, does not fit in to your completely blue sky thinking business utopia? Where does personal interest and raw passion come in? It's like saying somebody who has a passion for the look of intricate woodwork and carpentry shouldn't be allowed to employ a master craftsman to make products that meet their standard... BS And to add to that, in relation to my own post I myself have been extremely critical of NC cigars in terms of their image, marketing and overall standard. I think the majority of this forum would tend to be dubious as well. But on a serious note having watched the promotional video, this does not strike me as run of the mill NC... It looks like a finely crafted product with a lot of thought and passion put in to it. Much like the rest of the NC market, while not my cup of tea I say fair play to them. Like I said earlier. I couldn't care less that jay z is releasing a cigar... But I won't ostracise him for it. 1
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