Confrontation

[IcedCanuck]

I think you did the right thing. From experience I have learned you usually cannot reason with people like that. I also think you were better off doing what did rather then punching him. Again from experience dealing with the repercussions of punching someone in the face can get a bit stressful when the 'authorities' get involved and odds are once someone throws a punch there will be many more thrown. That being said it can sometimes be difficult to think things through clearly in the heat of the moment and most people simply have no clue what they would actually do once put in that situation. IMHO it is always best to get out of those situations with your brain and mouth then fists and feet when possible.

[PaulP]

You were lucky that he did not file a police complaint and then sue you. You probably would have won the case, but at what cost of time and money?

[sengjc]

I don't believe I would have resorted to anything physical as my first reaction if faced with a similar situation but I can understand if others would.

Let your conscience rest, you reacted instinctively with sufficient self-restraint to keep the situation from escalating further. That is a commendable act.

[Vetteman]

Here in the US, there are people who would have pulled a gun and blown you away as soon as you put your hand on them, especially when they are drunk. But it was heat of the moment and you will need to decide if it was wise. For your benefit, not his.

[stogieluver]

Here in the US, there are people who would have pulled a gun and blown you away as soon as you put your hand on them

Not where I live. If he pulled a gun, he'd be looking back at several .45's, .380's, and 9mm's with the fingers of good 'ole boy rednecks on their triggers. It probably wouldn't have gone that far, though, because as soon as he disrected a lady, there would have been more than one of them taking him outside. Everybody down here knows that everybody else is packing a concealed weapon for their safety and their family's protection from the thugs and idiots. That's why you don't ever hear of mass shootings in the southern or certain other parts of the country. If they do start shooting they won't be able to take out more than the first one or two before some good ole boy takes them out.

[Smallclub]

First mention of guns in this thread: post #30

[CaptainQuintero]

Hurray for killing! :S

Where abouts in the world is the OP? It seems this is the deciding factor between being applauded or gunned down then sued

[stogieluver]

I get a little passionate about government taking away our personal liberties and rights, especially the right to defend ourselves. The current crowd in control here is hell bent on taking away as much of both as they possibly can.

Not trying to start a political disussion because those always seem to get nasty. I'll just leave it at that and have nothing more to say about the subject.

Let's all have a drink and a good smoke and enjoy life as much as we can while we can.

[DrunkenMonkey]

It must be nice to have the comfort of knowing that you're always surrounded by well-armed rednecks.

[IcedCanuck]

Here in the US, there are people who would have pulled a gun and blown you away as soon as you put your hand on them, especially when they are drunk. But it was heat of the moment and you will need to decide if it was wise. For your benefit, not his.

And wouldn't they go to jail for murder?

[jangoman88]

I get a little passionate about government taking away our personal liberties and rights, especially the right to defend ourselves. The current crowd in control here is hell bent on taking away as much of both as they possibly can.

Not trying to start a political disussion because those always seem to get nasty. I'll just leave it at that and have nothing more to say about the subject.

Let's all have a drink and a good smoke and enjoy life as much as we can while we can.

x2!!!!!!

[Skyfall]

It must be nice to have the comfort of knowing that you're always surrounded by well-armed rednecks.

Not to derail too far off , but I know what you are getting at, and I find far too often that people synonymously use the term. "Redneck" as the same as "white trash ", "hillbilly", "ignorant" ect. They are not the same, and I personally don't think there is anything negative or derogatory or inferior about the term "redneck". I do understand how the majority of the population can make the erroneous mistake of confusing them however.

To answer your question sincerely, disregarding the condescending sarcasm, it absolutely makes me feel more comfortable!

In regard to the " fight or flight " comment previously where escalation of the incident was frowned upon. I say this: If you just shoo away ( shout out- great product) people like this in this world like a stray dog, when they behave like this, act inappropriate, disrespect women, make threats and try to take advantage of others, all you are doing is conveying to them that it's ok, they can continue to act out to the next person or the next couple, and they can go through life doing this without any repercussions or consequences. It's the responsibility of those of us who can and will step up to teach these vagrants of society a lesson so they know there are consequences to their actions. Maybe just maybe they don't continue on in life preying on others. Maybe just maybe if enough people stood up for what was right and doled out lessons to the wicked in the name of the weak and weary , this world might have a little less senseless crime in it.

And maybe they disregard their lesson and continue to prey on others, but a lesson taught and disregarded always makes more impact than no lesson at all.

The job of the police is to enforce the laws. Their job is not to teach people manners, it's not to teach people right from wrong and it's not to raise people right. That falls on the shoulders of others who long for a better society and realize that if nobody else is going to do it, and their own parents didn't do it, then you have to step up and take matters in your own hands for the greater good. All of that being said, it's only responsible to do so if you are sufficiently capable, prepared and trained.

[jangoman88]

And wouldn't they go to jail for murder?

self defense/stand your ground...depends on the state laws

[IcedCanuck]

Not to derail too far off , but I know what you are getting at, and I find far too often that people synonymously use the term. "Redneck" as the same as "white trash ", "hillbilly", "ignorant" ect. They are not the same, and I personally don't think there is anything negative or derogatory or inferior about the term "redneck". I do understand how the majority of the population can make the erroneous mistake of confusing them however.

To answer your question sincerely, disregarding the condescending sarcasm, it absolutely makes me feel more comfortable!

In regard to the " fight or flight " comment previously where escalation of the incident was frowned upon. I say this: If you just shoo away ( shout out- great product) people like this in this world like a stray dog, when they behave like this, act inappropriate, disrespect women, make threats and try to take advantage of others, all you are doing is conveying to them that it's ok, they can continue to act out to the next person or the next couple, and they can go through life doing this without any repercussions or consequences. It's the responsibility of those of us who can and will step up to teach these vagrants of society a lesson so they know there are consequences to their actions. Maybe just maybe they don't continue on in life preying on others. Maybe just maybe if enough people stood up for what was right and doled out lessons to the wicked in the name of the weak and weary , this world might have a little less senseless crime in it.

And maybe they disregard their lesson and continue to prey on others, but a lesson taught and disregarded always makes more impact than no lesson at all.

The job of the police is to enforce the laws. Their job is not to teach people manners, it's not to teach people right from wrong and it's not to raise people right. That falls on the shoulders of others who long for a better society and realize that if nobody else is going to do it, and their own parents didn't do it, then you have to step up and take matters in your own hands for the greater good.

In principal I agree with you but if the other person decides to press charges you are the one who will be found guilty. Personally I would rather not be charged. Even you fight it in court and get away with it is still too much of a PITA to deal with.

self defense/stand your ground...depends on the state laws

stand your ground ... a law written by idiots for idiots that lets you get away with cold blooded murder

[jangoman88]

Not to derail too far off , but I know what you are getting at, and I find far too often that people synonymously use the term. "Redneck" as the same as "white trash ", "hillbilly", "ignorant" ect. They are not the same, and I personally don't think there is anything negative or derogatory or inferior about the term "redneck". I do understand how the majority of the population can make the erroneous mistake of confusing them however.

To answer your question sincerely, disregarding the condescending sarcasm, it absolutely makes me feel more comfortable!

In regard to the " fight or flight " comment previously where escalation of the incident was frowned upon. I say this: If you just shoo away ( shout out- great product) people like this in this world like a stray dog, when they behave like this, act inappropriate, disrespect women, make threats and try to take advantage of others, all you are doing is conveying to them that it's ok, they can continue to act out to the next person or the next couple, and they can go through life doing this without any repercussions or consequences. It's the responsibility of those of us who can and will step up to teach these vagrants of society a lesson so they know there are consequences to their actions. Maybe just maybe they don't continue on in life preying on others. Maybe just maybe if enough people stood up for what was right and doled out lessons to the wicked in the name of the weak and weary , this world might have a little less senseless crime in it.

And maybe they disregard their lesson and continue to prey on others, but a lesson taught and disregarded always makes more impact than no lesson at all.

The job of the police is to enforce the laws. Their job is not to teach people manners, it's not to teach people right from wrong and it's not to raise people right. That falls on the shoulders of others who long for a better society and realize that if nobody else is going to do it, and their own parents didn't do it, then you have to step up and take matters in your own hands for the greater good. All of that being said, it's only responsible to do so if you are sufficiently capable, prepared and trained.

X2

[Skyfall]

In principal I agree with you but if the other person decides to press charges you are the one who will be found guilty. Personally I would rather not be charged. Even you fight it in court and get away with it is still too much of a PITA to deal with.

stand your ground ... a law written by idiots for idiots that lets you get away with cold blooded murder

The laws and courts do very much fluctuate from state to state, region to region and country to country. I only speak of how it is in my own state, anything else would be non-informed on my part. In Texas you don't go to jail or even get charged for self defense, or preventing crimes or harm to yourself or others , no matter what the outcome is for the perpetrader. In addition , if someone trespasses on your property, you don't even have the burden of proof to show they had harmful intent or you felt in danger. (Castle Doctrine)

[jangoman88]

stand your ground ... a law written by idiots for idiots that lets you get away with cold blooded murder

Theres more to it than just being an idiot or cold blooded murder. If you live in a state with stand your ground, and someone comes at you with a knife/gun/weapon you have the right to defend yourself and not run away. If you live in a state that does not have that you are suppose to run/flee, but what happens if you try to and that person who is intent on harming you say run faster than you? You're screwed, and if they have a gun again you're screwed.

Cold blooded murder is just as what it is, a murder and I would expect getting prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law at that point

[jangoman88]

also what skyfall posted before my last post...sums it up

[IcedCanuck]

Cold blooded murder is just as what it is, a murder and I would expect getting prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law at that point

Zimmerman got away with it; that law is seriously flawed.

In addition , if someone trespasses on your property, you don't even have the burden of proof to show they had harmful intent or you felt in danger. (Castle Doctrine)

Are you saying that in Texas if someone you don't know walks onto your property you can shoot him? Or do they actually have to be up to no good?

sorry I did not mean to hijack this thread

[Skyfall]

Zimmerman got away with it; that law is seriously flawed.

Are you saying that in Texas if someone you don't know walks onto your property you can shoot him? Or do they actually have to be up to no good?

sorry I did not mean to hijack this thread

Yes, as the law is today you have the right to do so, but in my opinion, you also are blessed with the gift of discernment and the responsibility from discerning right from wrong. Just because you "can" do something , doesn't mean you have to. But , it is black and white here, you have that right no matter what the intent or assumed intent is. If someone trespasses on your property and you have at least one No Trespassing sign up anywhere on your property you have the right to shoot that individual, even if it's in the back as they are fleeing. Keep in mind, incidents where this is exercised and occurs without any criminal or malicious intent present RARELY happens. It's not a normal occurance on innocent individuals that enter someone else's property. Most Texan landowners are responsible and sufficiently adequate in their discernment of justice and right from wrong.

[jangoman88]

Zimmerman did it because he was attacked, it wasnt like Martin was innocent in the matter. Like Skyfall said, should he (Z) used better discretion in the matter? sure, but we werent in his situation. The evidence and jury showed that he was within his legal rights. Im not saying it was cool or way to go zimmerman, but when it comes to your rights in the states thats what they are.

A friend of mine, her son in law got into a verbal argument with this guy over a basketball hit his car. At first he asked some kids playing what happened and they didnt know, a few minutes later this older kid/guy came up and asked why he was harassing his cousins/friends. He stated that he wasnt harrassing but wondered who hit his car with a basketball, which left a scuff mark. After some more talking it lead to arguing and the older kid pulled out a gun and shot my friends son in law multiple times and actually said in so many words "take that and in the name of zimmerman or something like that" , well my friends son in law pulled through and that other guy is in jail. It happened near Pittsburgh, PA and about 2 or so months ago if you want to check up on the story. I'm giving my interpretation of what she told me and what I read. To me that guy that pulled the gun was in the wrong and had no right to shoot her SIL, and unfortunately those are the idiots who will look at that law and think they can pull that kind of BS. As far as I know the gunman is in jail, but I havent talked to her in a month or so and dont really know.

[ramon_cojones]

It's interesting to note how europeans and canadians vary so much from americans stance on guns.

[Skyfall]

I'll take my responsibility for may part of this thread de-railing off topic somewhat. Sorry. . If it helps, I only respond with my stance and point of view on things on here about 20% of the time of what I want to.

[jangoman88]

and I as well, And for what its worth I believe in my rights and what our Constitution says. I do not agree with people that try and dismantle those rights because of their agendas or hatred toward America.

As for any other countries I respect their views and rights on the topics of guns or anything to do with our Constitution.

[Skyfall]

It's interesting to note how europeans and canadians vary so much from americans stance on guns.

When you get your rights taken away from you and you are made to feel guilty about having rights to begin with,the easiest thing to do is join the rest of the sheep in the "kool aid" line.

(ok so maybe it's more like 30% of the time.)