jangoman88 Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 He droped from football. They asked him to come back (as some 5 other teams I think) and he refused. He semi retired for real it seems. No kidding? I just saw he wasnt signed and a free agent. I know how Belechick/Pats organization with players so I assumed it was because of them. Thats too bad, I really liked him.
Orion21 Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 I don't really have a team, but what I don't understand is all of the hate towards RGIII He was 26-40 (65% completion rate) with 320 yards passing and 3 TDs. Compare that to golden boy Tom Brady who was 19-39 (48% completion rate) with 185 yards passing and 1 TD. No one is calling for Brady to be benched, they are blaming his WR's and chemistry. How about if the Redskins defense actually played some defense and didn't put all of the pressure to get a big lead early on a second year QB who just came back from major surgery . . . what a novel idea!
Louich Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 No kidding? I just saw he wasnt signed and a free agent. I know how Belechick/Pats organization with players so I assumed it was because of them. Thats too bad, I really liked him. Seems like he is trying to get in the movies (witha new straight to the selves zombie film lol) I liked him when he was a Bronco but he had an attitude problem.
jangoman88 Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 Seems like he is trying to get in the movies (witha new straight to the selves zombie film lol) I liked him when he was a Bronco but he had an attitude problem. I heard about the attitude issue, and as for the zombie flick I bet its going to be horrible lol
jangoman88 Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 I don't really have a team, but what I don't understand is all of the hate towards RGIII He was 26-40 (65% completion rate) with 320 yards passing and 3 TDs. Compare that to golden boy Tom Brady who was 19-39 (48% completion rate) with 185 yards passing and 1 TD. No one is calling for Brady to be benched, they are blaming his WR's and chemistry. How about if the Redskins defense actually played some defense and didn't put all of the pressure to get a big lead early on a second year QB who just came back from major surgery . . . what a novel idea! I do blame the receivers, I remember reading somewhere that if a great WR can get their hands on the ball they'll normally catch it, or something to that affect. These guys flat out dropped passes that Brady made good throws on. I dont blame RG3 at all, I think he's a good QB and one of the analyst either on espn or nbc sports said that when they had a similar knee injury he freaked about guys banging around his knee and that was always on his mind till he got past it and played on without it being in the back of his mind. Im sure RG3 is the same or feels the same, plus not playing pre season had an impact on him as well.
tmac77 Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 I'm not too sure as RGIII looks more like Patrick Ramsey running the Redskins offense. Comparing RGIII to P. Ramsey!!!???!!! that's a bit out of bounds. Skins did look horrible in both losses and I place this on the shoulders of RGIII and Mike Shanahan. RGIII is not 100% (not even 80%) and should have been on the bench for the last two games. I can not believe, after the disastrous decision making against Seattle, that the Redskin brain trust continue to gamble their future by playing him before he is ready.
Dozerhead Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 I'm a Texan's fan so I'm glad they are 2-0, but playing all these tight games that go down to the wire is really starting to spike my blood pressure!
jangoman88 Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 Comparing RGIII to P. Ramsey!!!???!!! that's a bit out of bounds. Skins did look horrible in both losses and I place this on the shoulders of RGIII and Mike Shanahan. RGIII is not 100% (not even 80%) and should have been on the bench for the last two games. I can not believe, after the disastrous decision making against Seattle, that the Redskin brain trust continue to gamble their future by playing him before he is ready. X2
Stanislaw Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 oddly this sums it up in multiple ways.... http://smokinjaycutler.tumblr.com/
Ken Gargett Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 I don't really have a team, but what I don't understand is all of the hate towards RGIII He was 26-40 (65% completion rate) with 320 yards passing and 3 TDs. Compare that to golden boy Tom Brady who was 19-39 (48% completion rate) with 185 yards passing and 1 TD. No one is calling for Brady to be benched, they are blaming his WR's and chemistry. How about if the Redskins defense actually played some defense and didn't put all of the pressure to get a big lead early on a second year QB who just came back from major surgery . . . what a novel idea! i don't see this as hate for rg3 - possibly a few idiots. but i say this as a massive fan and true believer of rg3, he has been very poor so far. sure, he has chalked up big numbers in the two games but those numbers mostly came when it was all over. in the early part of the games, we have been something like 64-7, and the 7 from a dodgy fumble return. so yes, utterly crap defence but remember the poor defence has had to be on the field for almost the entire time. rg3 turned it over early and was responsible for safety with a shocker shovel to morris. that said, remember that adrian petersen came back from a similar injury last year and had one of the all time great years. BUT in his first 6 games, he was way way down. no reason that rg3 can't come back. no pre-season, shocker injury, rest of the team playing crap. problem is that if he doesn't turn it around real quick, season gone. very disappointing. you'd have to think that not only do they need to beat detroit (at home, for christ's sake), they have to start looking good. some tough games coming up. what chance would you give them against manning and the broncos in denver? and it is stuffing my picks. can't bring myself to pick against them, even if i know a hiding coming.
Ken Gargett Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 Comparing RGIII to P. Ramsey!!!???!!! that's a bit out of bounds. Skins did look horrible in both losses and I place this on the shoulders of RGIII and Mike Shanahan. RGIII is not 100% (not even 80%) and should have been on the bench for the last two games. I can not believe, after the disastrous decision making against Seattle, that the Redskin brain trust continue to gamble their future by playing him before he is ready. can't agree with this. unless he is still injured, and the doc should be able to say if he is - we are told he is not though obviously not 100% - he should be out there. the only way through this is playing time. he needs to get confidence and will never get it just from practice. needs to be on the field. needs to take the leadership role. cousins is a good QB but to bench rg3, that is the white flag (assuming not injured).
Orion21 Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 i don't see this as hate for rg3 - possibly a few idiots. but i say this as a massive fan and true believer of rg3, he has been very poor so far. sure, he has chalked up big numbers in the two games but those numbers mostly came when it was all over. in the early part of the games, we have been something like 64-7, and the 7 from a dodgy fumble return. so yes, utterly crap defence but remember the poor defence has had to be on the field for almost the entire time. rg3 turned it over early and was responsible for safety with a shocker shovel to morris. that said, remember that adrian petersen came back from a similar injury last year and had one of the all time great years. BUT in his first 6 games, he was way way down. no reason that rg3 can't come back. no pre-season, shocker injury, rest of the team playing crap. problem is that if he doesn't turn it around real quick, season gone. very disappointing. you'd have to think that not only do they need to beat detroit (at home, for christ's sake), they have to start looking good. some tough games coming up. what chance would you give them against manning and the broncos in denver? and it is stuffing my picks. can't bring myself to pick against them, even if i know a hiding coming. If Reggie Bush plays and is close to 100% it's going to be a hard fought game. If he is out the Skins have a good shot at winning. I would like to see the Skins employ a 2 back set until RGIII is healthy. Using Roy Helu and Morris together would protect RGIII a lot. Helu is excellent out of the backfield and can block as well. They can't pretend that the option read is part of the playbook anymore, until RGIII can run the ball. He has a great arm and can throw for accuracy, which he has shown in the second half of both games with the option read was off the table.
Ken Gargett Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 If Reggie Bush plays and is close to 100% it's going to be a hard fought game. If he is out the Skins have a good shot at winning. I would like to see the Skins employ a 2 back set until RGIII is healthy. Using Roy Helu and Morris together would protect RGIII a lot. Helu is excellent out of the backfield and can block as well. They can't pretend that the option read is part of the playbook anymore, until RGIII can run the ball. He has a great arm and can throw for accuracy, which he has shown in the second half of both games with the option read was off the table. that i agree with. he clearly can't do the same things he could last year yet - who knows, perhaps ever - so they need to find another way. that comes back to the coaches.
SCgarman Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 Comparing RGIII to P. Ramsey!!!???!!! that's a bit out of bounds. Skins did look horrible in both losses and I place this on the shoulders of RGIII and Mike Shanahan. RGIII is not 100% (not even 80%) and should have been on the bench for the last two games. I can not believe, after the disastrous decision making against Seattle, that the Redskin brain trust continue to gamble their future by playing him before he is ready. How about the Skins non existent Defense which has given up so many big plays?
Skyfall Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 Comparing RGIII to P. Ramsey!!!???!!! that's a bit out of bounds. Skins did look horrible in both losses and I place this on the shoulders of RGIII and Mike Shanahan. RGIII is not 100% (not even 80%) and should have been on the bench for the last two games. I can not believe, after the disastrous decision making against Seattle, that the Redskin brain trust continue to gamble their future by playing him before he is ready. Skins Defense is Horrible Their Secondary is a joke Their Receivers are dropping balls that hit their hands (these are pros remember) Morris is fumbling balls and dropping pitches that also hit his hands HOW is this RG3's fault????????????????
Ken Gargett Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 Skins Defense is Horrible Their Secondary is a joke Their Receivers are dropping balls that hit their hands (these are pros remember) Morris is fumbling balls and dropping pitches that also hit his hands HOW is this RG3's fault???????????????? all true and all not rg3's fault. but that said, he is clearly a shadow of his best at the moment. the defence is truly dire - not so much the rush but the rest of it. ditto special teams. can't blame rg3 for that. but the attack come from him and i suspect the fact that he has not come back at 100% (and in retrospect, it was silly of us all to think he could), has filtered throughout the team. i suspect that when we see him gain confidence and improve and start to pull off some trademark spectacular plays, this will spread through the team and everyone will lift. but it needs to be soon or a year will be wasted.
tmac77 Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 Skins Defense is Horrible Their Secondary is a joke Their Receivers are dropping balls that hit their hands (these are pros remember) Morris is fumbling balls and dropping pitches that also hit his hands HOW is this RG3's fault???????????????? Skins D is sucking but tough to play up to par when the offence is giving up the ball so easily and having to defend a short field. Yes receiver s have had a case of the drops and Morris and the O line are not a shadow of where they were at the end of last year. I still think, however that Cousins should have started the season until RGIII got up to speed and 100%.
riazp Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 Good to see a few seahawks fans here. As for the RGtheThird debate. I was thinking to myself, is it the dreaded sophmore jinx or the lack of receivers, the lack of O life, the lack of preseason, the lack of real football for a while. I think its a combination of all of the above. He has one receiver who is semi decent, hes on his ass after every other play, taking hits he should not be taking. Hes had no real preaseaon and spend the offseason rehabbing and not prepping. He had major knee surgury. It will be an off year for him no doubt and come back stronger next year. Cam Newton had a bad second season as well...
Skyfall Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 Skins D is sucking but tough to play up to par when the offence is giving up the ball so easily and having to defend a short field. Yes receiver s have had a case of the drops and Morris and the O line are not a shadow of where they were at the end of last year. I still think, however that Cousins should have started the season until RGIII got up to speed and 100%. If it wasn't for RG3 neither of the games would have comeback to be as close as they ended up.
tmac77 Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 If it wasn't for RG3 neither of the games would have comeback to be as close as they ended up. i agree Skyfall but I am simply on the edge of my chair every time he is on the field not at 100% dreading a bad hit and another injury.
david8017 Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 my steelers are brutal. Our offense is pretty bad with all the injuries. im afraid its going to be a long year
Ken Gargett Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 If it wasn't for RG3 neither of the games would have comeback to be as close as they ended up. absolutely agree with that but the danger is that he becomes known as the nfl version of graeme hick, the "flat track bully". for non cricket fans, hick was a supposedly wonderfully talented cricketer who amassed thousands of runs in english county cricket (he played for england but had to wait to get citizenship as he had come from zimbabwe). the world assumed that as soon as he started playing test cricket he'd do the same thing thing. turns out he was the sort of player who could murder an attack if it was not top notch or if he had a favourable pitch (hence, "the flat track bully") but when the bowlers were the best or conditions not so easy, he was dribble. not suggesting rg3 is a flat track bully for a second but the concern is that if he keeps putting up big numbers when it really doesn't count, he'll get that rep. i think he is way better than that. i actually think it is encouraging that he has been able to do that and i think he'll turn it into good numbers when it counts very soon. if the skins turn it around this week and then win 2/3 of their next 3/4, we won't even remember having this debate. think of arsenal in the english soccer. a month ago, such a laughing stock that they were being called 'farsenal'. had claimed they'd do big things in the transfer period yet with about 100 mill available, had not been able to attract a single player. their hated rivals, spurs, brought in 7 new top players and sold bale for a record. the gunners were a threadbare squad, with injuries and gaps, they looked like they would not get through the qualifying rounds of the champions league and they got thumped at home by a dud side in the first premiership game. people were talking the collapse of the club, the sacking of the manager, the gunners were gone forever. suddenly, they signed the brilliant ozil, won the champions qualifiers and have not lost a game since. despite a threadbare squad and a bucket of injuries, the debate now is whether they can win the entire thing! this could all change for the skins and rg3 just as quickly. hopefully.
El Presidente Posted September 18, 2013 Author Posted September 18, 2013 It is only game 2!!!!! Champions come good (injury permitting). I am more than happy to swap Josh freeman for RG3. In a wheelchair RG3 could connect more passes than Josh This is why I have always followed the Buccaneers......absolutely no expectation of victory as a fan.... we always find a way to lose a game * damn that brief Dungy Gruden period that produced a Superbowl and heightened expectation!
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