headstand Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 RA Extra. Half-joking but what an overrated cigar. Slap a Vegueros band on it and I wonder about the accolades. Someone needs to show these some love. Granted i have very little experience with ELs, but i find the RAAE to be quite nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Someone needs to show these some love. Granted i have very little experience with ELs, but i find the RAAE to be quite nice. Sorry. But I need to pile on. These were my first, (and most likely last) ELs. Huge failure in my estimation. Foolishly bought 2 boxes... Overly tight. Chopped tobacco. Mediocre flavor at best. Live and learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGC Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Gave up on them after 2004 or so. I might miss out on a decent stick or two, but that's a chance I'm willing to take. I prefer my wrappers thin and not to require too much attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicko Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I thought the Regalos was a great smoke! Meaty, choc, cedary. Most of the LE's ive had have been good actually but price and the larger ring guages keep me away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I love the Ramon Allones Extra bite, grunt, mongrel. My type of cigar for that particular mood. Trini Shorts would be my most detested but there are guys out there who buy them repeatedly month in and month out. They love them. I am not sure who am I to say my opinion is better than theirs Cigars generally are not "Black or White". One mans poison is another's Grand Cru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Cigars generally are not "Black or White". True, they are claro, colorado, maduro... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khomeinist Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Obv horses for courses... To turn a phrase. For my money... Bite, grunt, and mongrel can be found in Quinteros and such for a fraction of the price. Does anyone sincerely taste the individual marcas in each of the EL releases? Some ELs are better than others but they do tend to age to a uniform profile, as BonVivant has indicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charltonc Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I liked the allones extra, but I have the palate of a billy goat. I prefer re Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Obv horses for courses... To turn a phrase. For my money... Bite, grunt, and mongrel can be found in Quinteros and such for a fraction of the price. Does anyone sincerely taste the individual marcas in each of the EL releases? Some ELs are better than others but they do tend to age to a uniform profile, as BonVivant has indicated. Pat I am a barbarian in many ways. True, i can find much the same Bite, grunt. Mongrel in Quintero's (Fresh). However what I loved with the RA Extra is depth. Mind you they mostly came out wet so I threw them in a fridge for an hour. What I found was an underpinning of class. I have seen it before on fresh cigars. Ramon Allones Celestiales Finos comes immediately to mind. When Fresh they were everywhere in terms of flavour/brutal strength. Now very good. In 5 years great (my opinion only). There have been plenty of dud LE's (and Regionals). Again my opinion. There have also been some great cigars. i don't want the concept abandoned but rather modified to one LE a year + 1-2 Heritage releases a year. I also want to see greater affinity to Marque on the LE but they won't be able to achieve it until thy ditch the maduro'ish wrapper fixation. The 520 is a good point in case. Very Monte like, but you can't do a Rafael Gonzalez with a maduro wrapper and expect it to taste like a RG. Nor a Cohiba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusguy Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 ^^^^ Glad I never bought any of these. They were so hyped and then all the talk about them just died a few months after release. I read a lot of "these need time in the humidor" comments. They were so bad that they are getting close to sold out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusguy Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Awwwww..come on. I like Vegueros. Had an Epicure De Luxe........shockingly dull. That's not an LE, it's a LCDH release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusguy Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I found the LEs up to 2008 much more true to the respective marcas and enjoyed most of the ones I tried. Post 2008 there is way too much generic chocolate/cocoa taste for me, they started having mostly ridiculous ring gauges, and the prices are crazy. <flame on> Monte 520 is a perfect example for this <flame off>. Exceptions are the RAE on the positive side and RyJ Hermosos #2 on the negative side. I did enjoy the Monte Cs that I had but they aren't worth the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusguy Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Doesn't mean they were good. People do buy stuff based on hype you know. I love them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khomeinist Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 All good points. Cheers Rob. I hope the Heritage concept gains traction at some point. That is a limited concept that I would certainly support. Very good point that some blends take the maduro wrapper better than others. I think this is why the Ingenios was a failure. The subtler notes that Trinidad can achieve were washed out with the cocoa puff wrapper notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusguy Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I realize. Just bugging you. I'm just cranky because I just arrived in Toronto at the beginning of a big snowstorm which means I probably won't be able to make the customer visit tomorrow morning... Plus I am with colleagues so I can't even arrange a nice mini-herf with the local BOTLs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonVivant Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 BonVivant, on 26 February 2013 - 08:44 PM, said: to the OP: most of the time it is not bad fresh, but with passing of time it becomes....just another aged EL. The question to you is: Which non-global brands had been released as ELs? Which non-global brands are about to be releases as ELs? You think this makes a difference? VERY few ELs stay true to their original marca. They all taste relatively similar within the EL world and within general vitolas of ELs over the years imo. I must say that the Boli PB EL was very nice, but honestly, I'd rather have a box of BBF from 2009 for less money. You think this makes a difference? VERY few ELs stay true to their original marca. They all taste relatively similar within the EL world and within general vitolas of ELs over the years imo. I must say that the Boli PB EL was very nice, but honestly, I'd rather have a box of BBF from 2009 for less money. Excuse me, are you the OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamlon Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 The mag48 didn't do much for me. Kinda boring cigar. Partagas from 2010, loaded with tobacco. Really thick draw which made it unsmokable. I've only had one of each so I probably shouldn't rule them out, but I will. Just until the other day I hadn't bought any boxes of LEs. Ramon allones extra incoming. These got unbelievably popular here in Sweden when they got released. I don't think any of our Swedish vendors has a full box for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainQuintero Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Did the boli pb get made in huge numbers? They still seem to be stocked up the the roof everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Are any of these ELs ever really "limited"? We will see if you can pick up a 1966/520/RAE in June this year...at a non loaded price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melies Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I would be more than happy to take all the unwanted LE's off of people's hands, and dispose of them honorably! you know it my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melies Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 To all their palates but for me the worst El is the one that you don't enjoy... I have had all El's since 2006 (and some form 2001-2004) and some have been great, others have been dull (don't get me talking about the partagas from 2003, I know everybody loves it but mine was crap.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk05 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I'd have to agree with Leo on most parts regarding the loss of identity on aging ELs. What really comes to mind is something Eddie said once about light marcas. From that, I don't think marcas like HdM or RyJ can stand up to the strong taste that is added from the EL leaf. I can only name a couple that have really stayed true and shined: HdM Mag 48, Monte D/Sublime/520... As for crappy ELs: RyJ Hermosos, Escudo, Dukes. Cohiba DC. Monte Robusto? Tastes like air. Monte C? Good lord, I'm having a tough time getting rid of all of them. All Partagas ELs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Hmmm... Let me count the ways! This little piggy went to market. This little piggy went home. This little piggy had roast beef... I gave up on EL's when Tabacuba gave up on me! -the Pig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troels Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I've only had two or three RAE's but they were very good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigcars Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 X 5 on the RA Extras. I made sure and tried it twice just to be sure. NO flavor. NO Habanos wonderful aroma. NO enjoyment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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