mychetboy Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 The embargo must go. But, how much do you feel the quality and supply would change ? Once the embargo is eventually lifted...my feelings are it would at least take 5 years to get things straight...maybe more. Thoughts? I would stock up immediately just like (I wish) Kennedy did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikesupremedunk Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I don't see it lifting anytime soon and I wish it wouldn't. One of the appeal to me of a CC is that it's "illegal" in the states. I would bet the quality would go down and the price up if the gates to the US were opened and demand goes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jszeto Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Agreed, CC quality will go down. The NC industry will see a big hit in loss. But obviously, I do not forsee the embargo being lifted in the near future. This is discussed quite often and continues to be a very hot topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ophidion Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 As long as Floroda remains such an important state for electoral votes, the embargo will remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusguy Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I have enough stock to last me until supply and quality recover, if that really happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent0341 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I think I agree with the general consensus. Once (if) it is lifted the demand will skyrocket. Which means either Cuba increases production (99-01 anyone?) with a drop in quality or they increase the price to slow the demand. I think that after a few years things will calm down. If they increased production to meet demand then hopefully they'll bring their quality back in line. If they increased price to slow the demand we probably won't see that come back down. Like its already been said. Florida's electoral votes are to important to risk for either party. I really don't think it will happen till those old enough to remember those events are gone. While I would much prefer they were legal I think that we have it about as good as it's going to get with the way things are currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangolf18 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I don't think they'd necessarily crank out more, but perhaps just re-direct most of their production to the US market. Less transportation cost means they could bank more money. Also, they could probably jack up their prices in general because US consumers will probably pay almost anything for CC's. They could crank up production and sell to the naive American (who doesn't know what a good cuban should be). Anyway, I hope relations with Cuba get better, but I'd like to see the embargo kept in place. Either quality will go down or prices go up (or both). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdp Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I'd like to think the quality should improve, give freer trade and interaction with more companies there might be some exchange of expertise... but that ignores the fact that Habanos SA is already 50% owned by an international company, so why are they letting CCs continue to be a bit shabby? Clearly it's a profit deal. So what's going to happen? Probably get worse. How do you satisfy the massive demand of every cigar smoker in USA who wants to be the first on his block to hold tabacco myth between his lips.. ramp up production like crazy and get anybody you can to roll a wrapper. I guess I just convinced myself to buy a bigger humidor, or just tent and humidify the house next door. It will probably take a decade to calm down. Maybe less time, as the number of smokers decreases, so as each year passes and the embargo continues, maybe we'll see a general improvement in Cuban quality, with less demand and proportionally better leaf... except I've forgotten the China market, and maybe in a decade the Indian market if they follow with their own middle-class explosion. I'm still going to buy and store a lot more cigars, just in case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Once the embargo falls, it doesn't necessarily mean that socialised industry/government monopoly will go away, though that will most likely happen. There'll be a slew of foreign investors, already waiting. How it turns out will be how much those investors are in it for the long term, or short term profit. There's a lot more to it than tobacco or cigars. How Cuba and Cubans benefit depends very much on how much greed is allowed by whoever will be running the show. I've no problem with profit of course, greed is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sepp Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Trademark issues will most likely prevent immediate distribution of Cuban Cigars in the states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcedCanuck Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Trademark issues will most likely prevent immediate distribution of Cuban Cigars in the states. x2, that is a huge mess that would have to be sorted out first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb5783 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 [/quote Trademark issues will most likely prevent immediate distribution of Cuban Cigars in the states. x3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokum Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Such a double edged sword for Cuba. I hope the embargo does end. Not just for the availability of cigars. For me at least I have enough to last for many years. I hope it ends for the people of Cuba. Families re-united. Quality of life improvements. What I hope does NOT happen if and when it ends is that we go in there gangbusters and take over. Let the people prosper finally. Let them get Cuba back to the jewel it once was. Just my .02. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptrthgr8 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 How big of an issue is the embargo to the overall population of Florida? I know there's a vocal segment who's still mad as hell about the whole thing (understandable to a degree), but I'm not sure how big that segment actually is. I've been in North Dakota now for ~12 years and it's not something I've ever heard discussed by anyone outside of fellow CC lovers. (So not that many. ) In Seattle, my hometown, it was something that came up far more often, but it was mostly folks who also didn't understand why the embargo was still in effect. I don't recall ever meeting anyone who thought the embargo was still a good thing. I think the embargo is stupid and hypocritical. The federales claim it's about human rights, but at the same time they make trade deals with China and they're not too shy about handing out tax payer dollars all around the globe to countries who aren't exactly enlightened when it comes to human rights. (Cough, cough, Saudi Arabia, cough, cough.) I would think the best way to hasten a freer Cuba is by ditching the embargo and normalizing relations with that nation. Let the younger generations see what they've been missing (without really knowing they were missing it) and that would be that. Can anyone really offer up any solid reasons for maintaining this anachronistic Cold War era policy? Cheers, ~ Greg ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cottierm Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Don't forget Greg that cereals and drugs are provided by the USA to Cuba! The embargo is just a one-way one. Best, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptrthgr8 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Yeah, that's a great point, Michel. Makes it even more stupid than I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigharpoon Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Imagine all the new cigars that would be blended using tobacco from all NC countries along with CC leaf, that would be incredible! Between that and straight up CC sales to America the demand for CC tobacco would go through the roof and quality would suffer, at least for a while, but man, with all those new blends some would be absolutely amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuzi16 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Imagine all the new cigars that would be blended using tobacco from all NC countries along with CC leaf, that would be incredible! Between that and straight up CC sales to America the demand for CC tobacco would go through the roof and quality would suffer, at least for a while, but man, with all those new blends some would be absolutely amazing. im not so sure about this.i mean, there will be some good blends. But most non-Cuban tobacco will overpower Cuban tobacco very quickly. what would be more interesting would be people like Pepin, Kelner, Gomez, Padron getting their hands on quality Cuban leaf and creating their own Cuban Puros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ophidion Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Well Obama made it to a second term so the chances of the embargo getting lifted are slightly better (no first term president would dare). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverickdrinker Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 As long as Floroda remains such an important state for electoral votes, the embargo will remain. This is the key.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CigarmanTim Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 As long as Floroda remains such an important state for electoral votes, the embargo will remain. This is the key.... I'm not sure that is as true today as it once was. I read an article last year concerning this very topic. The jest of the authors point was the 2nd and 3rd generation Cubans could care less. Their parents and Grandparents were the hard core anti Castro regime. Sadly, they are getting less each day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent0341 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I'm not sure that is as true today as it once was. I read an article last year concerning this very topic. The jest of the authors point was the 2nd and 3rd generation Cubans could care less. Their parents and Grandparents were the hard core anti Castro regime. Sadly, they are getting less each day. The real issue isn't so much how many votes a politician would get its how many they'll lose. For example if a politician takes a stance on a hot button issue (abortion, guns, you pick it) they gain votes but they also lose votes. However if on a quick stop to Florida they promise to keep the embargo what votes do they lose? None. Thats about as simple a decision as it gets for a politician gain some votes with no downside? They'll do it every time. So until there's actually a downside to saying you'll keep the embargo don't expect them to. Combine that fact with how much NC companies stand to lose if the embargo is lifted (and without a doubt their will be/are lobbyist involved) and we don't stand to see the embargo lifted anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigharpoon Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I think if the embargo is ever dissolved it won't be because of cigars. With all the tobacco tax and anti-tobacco legislation hitting Washington (which sadly includes cigars along with cigarettes and chew) I don't think opening up a cigar market to Americans is a concern to politicians. I'm not dying to see the cigar industry change in this manner since quality loss seems like a real possibility which would be a bummer. Politicians would need a much bigger soapbox than tobacco to sell the embargo lift to the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchkiwi Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 This is always an interesting debate. From my own selfish perspective, I'll go for the best of both worlds - embargo ends and relief for the cuban people ... BUT U.S. tobacco lobbies govt and gets restrictions on cigars (let's say a tiny quota of habanos allowed in). The more realistic point in this wishful thinking is that should the embargo end, i doubt the borders will be thrown wide open, trade will be restricted in many ways for at least a few years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charltonc Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 In my experience, the noncuban cigar companies want the embargo to be lifted so that their would be another cigar boom in the United States. My friends in the industry believe they make cigars that are just as good as an cuban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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