Looking for a few good men!

[Leftridge]

I'd be in too depending.. Will be sitting on:

Part Shorts

Monti PE

VR Famosos

[Wicky]

Interesting idea Pig. I'd be into the "skinny" group should you decide to do one.

[el.barbudo]

I don't post many reviews, but this may be just the thing to get me more involved.... I like the review form!

Here's what I have, but (for most) only a box of each:

Bolivar Belicoso Fino

Bolivar Bonitas

Bolivar Coronas Extra

Bolivar Coronas Gigantes

Bolivar Gold Medal

Bolivar Inmensas

Bolivar Petite Corona

Bolivar Royal Corona

Cohiba Corona Especiales

Cohiba Esplendidos Churchill

Cohiba Lanceros

Cohiba Maduro 5 "Genios"

Cohiba Maduro 5 "Magicos"

Cohiba Maduro 5 "Secretos"

Cohiba Panetela

Cohiba Piramides Ed. Ltd. 2006

Cohiba Robusto

Cohiba Siglo I

Cohiba Siglo II TA

Cohiba Siglo III

Cohiba Siglo IV

Cohiba Siglo V

Cohiba Siglo VI

Cuaba Diademes

Cuaba Distinguidos

Cuaba Divinos

Cuaba Piramide Ed. Ltd. 2008

Cuaba Salomones

Diplomaticos No. 4

Diplomaticos No. 5

El Rey del Mundo Choix Supreme

El Rey del Mundo Tainos Churchill

El Rey del Mundo Grandes de Espaňa

El Rey del Mundo Lonsdale

Fonseca Cosacos

Fonseca No. 1

H. Upmann Connoisseur No.1

H. Upmann Coronas Major TA

H. Upmann Magnum 46

H. Upmann Magnum 48 Ed. Ltd. 2009

H. Upmann Magnum 50

H. Upmann Majestic

H. Upmann No. 2

H. Upmann Sir Winston Churchill

Hoyo de Monterrey Double Corona

Hoyo de Monterrey Le Hoyo des Dieux

Hoyo de Monterrey Le Hoyo du Maire

Hoyo de Monterrey Petite Robusto

Hoyo de Monterrey Regalos Ed. Ltd. 2007

Jose L. Piedra Brevas

Jose L. Piedra Conservas

Jose L. Piedra Cremas

Juan Lopez Petite Corona

Juan Lopez Seleccion No.1

Juan Lopez Seleccion No.2

La Flor de Cano Selectos

La Gloria Cubana Medaille d' Or No 1

La Gloria Cubana Medaille d' Or No 3

Montecristo C Ed. Ltd. 2003

Montecristo Edmundo

Montecristo Especiales No. 2

Montecristo No. 1

Montecristo No. 2

Montecristo No. 3

Montecristo No. 4

Montecristo No. 5

Montecristo Petite Edmundo

Montecristo Sublime Ed. Ltd. 2008

Partagas 8-9-8 varnished

Partagas Culebras

Partagas Lusitania

Partagas Salomones

Partagas Serie D No. 4

Partagas Serie D No. 5 Ed. Ltd. 2008

Partagas Series du Connoisseur No. 1

Partagas Series du Connoisseur No. 2

Partagas Series du Connoisseur No. 3

Partagas Serie P No. 2

Partagas Shorts

Por Larranaga Belicoso Extra Reg. Rel. 2008

Por Larranaga Montecarlos

Por Larranaga Petite Corona

Por Larranaga Robusto Reg. Rel. 2007

Punch Churchill

Punch Double Corona

Punch Petite Corona del Punch

Punch Punch

Punch Royal Selection No. 12

Punch Super Robusto Reg. Rel. 2007

Quai D'Orsay Imperiales

Rafael Gonzales Coronas Extra

Rafael Gonzales Panetelas Extra

Ramon Allones Celestiales Finos Reg. Rel. 2009

Ramon Allones Estupendo Reg.Rel.2007

Ramon Allones Gigantes

Ramon Allones Small Club Corona

Ramon Allones Specially Selected

Romeo & Julieta Belvedere

Romeo & Julieta Cazadores

Romeo & Julieta Churchill TA

Romeo & Julieta Coronitas en Cedro

Romeo & Julieta Duke Ed. Ltd. 2009

Romeo & Julieta Escudos Ed. Ltd. 2007

Romeo & Julieta No. 1 TA

Romeo & Julieta Short Churchill TA

San Luis Rey Churchill

San Luis Rey Double Corona

Saint Luis Rey Regios

Saint Luis Rey Serie A

San Cristobal de la Habana El Morro

San Cristobal de la Habana El Principe

San Cristobal de la Habana La Punta

San Cristobal de la Habana Muralla

Sancho Panza Belicoso

Sancho Panza Corona

Sancho Panza Molinos

Sancho Panza Non Plus

Trinidad Reyes

Trinidad Robusto Extra

Trinidad Robusto "T"

Vegas Robaina Don Alejandro

Vegas Robaina Famoso

[khomeinist]

I could submit a review for a thin-gauge cigar. Dip 4, Partagas SDC, Grandes de Espana, PLPC, etc.

I might pass on a 'quantification' sheet. I prefer qualitative assessments for subjective phenomena. Not hating on your idea Pig, but I would prefer to see individual assessments and creative interpretations.

Up to you though man. It's your horse (so to speak)!

[First Lady]

el barbudo I just don't know.... Your selection is a bit small... we might have a problem with finding something everyone has

[el.barbudo]

el barbudo I just don't know.... Your selection is a bit small... we might have a problem with finding something everyone has

You may be right there..... Send me the HDM Churchills BLP ABR 08 box from the HQ list, if they are still available. You know the card number and address....

I wouldn't want any lady thinking I have a small selection, now would I?

[LeafLover]

Sir Barbudo, but do you have any Swisher Sweets!!!! Do ya! Just joking. A picture of your humi with all those boxes would be

the ultimate in Cigar XXXX Porn.

I'm In Ray. Oldest cigars I have are 07's to the newest April 10's.

Limited variety but one of mine might make it on your list: Boli PC, PLPC, H Upmann Mag 46, Dip 4's, Parti Shorts, JL#1's, Partagas (P2, SD4, 898V), Boli CE, RGCE, Trini Reyes, SLR A, SCdlH El Prinicpe, Punch RS#11, RASS, Monte 2, Cohiba Siglo VI, and Cohibas in the glass box.

[First Lady]

LOLOL Count them on their way.... can't have you with missing sticks

[sandholm]

First, everyone is welcome. I am thinking about two groups due to the response... possible fat and skinny. Will do a little accounting of who's got what here this evening.

Hi

Why split it up into two groups, isnt it better that we all smoke the same cigar the more people the more thoughts about the cigar. Then we can do this again in say 2-3 weeks and change the cigar. Maybe start with skinny and next time a fat one, or change the brand. I just dont see a resone to split it up into two groups.

What do you guys feel about using a tasting sheet? I am gonna' post mine and while it is not perfect, more or less a work in progress, I can explain how it works and it will be easier to correlate data, post replies and quantify the data.

I use another tasting chart, but this one works fine for me (is it a pdf?), but again if we want to correlate and quantify we should not split us up into two groups (actually, we need to be 37 people if we want to do any correlation, but that might be on the matemathical side and we dont have to go down that road )

Looking forward

[PigFish]

Points well taken my friends. The goal is manifold. One, enjoy some cigars. Two, get a bunch of people involved!!! Three enjoy picking over some data in the end; scientific or not.

Lets get started!

We smoke one or two cigars. The cigars are Bolivar Royal Coronas and/or the Bolivar Petit Coronas. Common cigars that most people have.

All reviews will be sent to me for me to post no later than 9-25. The sheet will be an option, if you use it fine, I will post 150 dpi pictures of the two pages as I did before if you use it. If not I will post your narrative (whatever you send me). No pictures, we all know what a Robusto and a PC looks like, and I will likely post Mr. Capitalist's cigar picture on Mr. Socialist's (faux names used for levity!) review anyway.

The reviews are to be sent to: smokedpigfish(use the @ symbol here)hotmail.com (I don't want a crawler picking up this address and getting it all over the web).

They are to be formatted like this:

Subject: (Your name here) cigar review of Bolivar XXX or YYY whatever you choose.

Body: Your name, the cigar you reviewed, date and code of the cigar.

Your review, or attach the sheet. No salutations or words of endearment... please! -LOL

Try to make it easy on me and don't make me have to dig through the body for the cigar info and edit anything.

Lastly, to make sure you got the email address right, email me and let me know you are in and what you will be smoking. I will start a new thread and put your name in as we wait for the reviews to come in. I would like you to try the sheet. Since it is hard to improve a thing without input I would be happy for input on the sheet sent to me via email if you have the inclination and time to do so.

Thanks for taking part in the review. -Ray

_Cigar_Companion_Final_with_note.pdf

Problems saving with Acro reader? Download this file instead.

_Cigar_Companion_V3.pdf

[PigFish]

I could submit a review for a thin-gauge cigar. Dip 4, Partagas SDC, Grandes de Espana, PLPC, etc.

I might pass on a 'quantification' sheet. I prefer qualitative assessments for subjective phenomena. Not hating on your idea Pig, but I would prefer to see individual assessments and creative interpretations.

Up to you though man. It's your horse (so to speak)!

The quantitative supports the qualitative by use of the sheet. Page one is more or less focusing on specifics while page two aggregates the data to form a narrative review, hopefully satisfying both aspects. We see things similarly here. The sheet was designed for a group review of the same cigar specifically with a goal of unifying the thoughts of free spirits and imaginative thinkers and forcing them to quantify for data collection purposes.

In many ways it represents the exact opposite of what cigar smoking is to many of us. That is work instead of relaxation; concentration instead of imagination! I have learned to use it as an aid instead of a tool for a chore, but I wholeheartedly agree with many unfavorable assessments of using a taste sheet, even my own!!!

Cheers mate! -P

[micha]

Great idea, Piggy. I would love to join in but I'm right in the preperations for my vacation and my only Boli right now in my humi would be a Cororonas extra. Count me in next time. Btw really interesting to see your review sheets, I've been meaning to ask you what they look like. Also went with your advise to scramble up my palate with some skinnies. I'm on a Monte especiales right now. Great smoke! Thanks for recommending.

Have fun y'all!

Cheers, Michael

[DocG]

Ray,

I would love to play, my my humi is thin too. If all works out, will try to get in on next one...

Doc

[PigFish]

Ray,

I would love to play, my my humi is thin too. If all works out, will try to get in on next one...

Doc

**** dude... just realized I owed you a return PM! My memory is shot!!! Too much gun play as a kid I guess! -LOL -R

[soltino]

Downloaded the form, filled it out but couldn't save it. Tried to save as text but just created a text document with the details of the form, not my entries. I don't have a printer (paperless environment here you see, save the trees!) so couldn't print it out - besides, having to print it out so you can then scan it back in again is a bit arhaic don't ya think

I guess in order to save the form once it is filled in you need the Adobe PDF writer and not just the freebie reader Nice form though, would use it again if it were possible to save the changes!

[sandholm]

OMG tight deadline, i am not sure if I will make that, (why the hurry?)

cheers

[ChanceSchmerr]

Sure Ray, pick my least favorite marca with cigars I don't even have at home!

Oh well, I look forward to seeing posted reviews!

[PigFish]

OMG tight deadline, i am not sure if I will make that, (why the hurry?)

cheers

I was trying to get everyone involved in Bwana's contest for the free style review and cigars. Team player ****, you know? I know... totally unlike me!! Make an effort Sandy, you can do it!!! I have not smoked mine either.

Maybe Bwana can be bribed to extend the contest a few days. I'll ask the boss aka Lisa!!! -P

[PigFish]

Downloaded the form, filled it out but couldn't save it. Tried to save as text but just created a text document with the details of the form, not my entries. I don't have a printer (paperless environment here you see, save the trees!) so couldn't print it out - besides, having to print it out so you can then scan it back in again is a bit arhaic don't ya think

I guess in order to save the form once it is filled in you need the Adobe PDF writer and not just the freebie reader Nice form though, would use it again if it were possible to save the changes!

This I don't understand. The form has no security measures at all. What you might want to do is check your reader. I believe that my form is back dated to version 7. Perhaps you are using an older version and that is why it won't save. I am one of those guys that has been using Acrobat from day 1 so I have worked out the kinks on my end a long time ago.

For kicks I will see if I can save a backwards compatible version to an older state and see if that helps you. You might check your Acro Reader and see what version it is and get the latest. It is still free. -Ray

[PigFish]

Sure Ray, pick my least favorite marca with cigars I don't even have at home!

Oh well, I look forward to seeing posted reviews!

Well may man I tried to fit you in and wanted the GdE review but it appeared that I was attempting too big a piece in too short a time. Go hold up the mini-mart or something... intimidate a smaller sailer, trade some porn, somethin's gotta' work!!! Improvise, adapt, overcome!!! -LOL

[khomeinist]

The quantitative supports the qualitative by use of the sheet. Page one is more or less focusing on specifics while page two aggregates the data to form a narrative review, hopefully satisfying both aspects. We see things similarly here. The sheet was designed for a group review of the same cigar specifically with a goal of unifying the thoughts of free spirits and imaginative thinkers and forcing them to quantify for data collection purposes.

In many ways it represents the exact opposite of what cigar smoking is to many of us. That is work instead of relaxation; concentration instead of imagination! I have learned to use it as an aid instead of a tool for a chore, but I wholeheartedly agree with many unfavorable assessments of using a taste sheet, even my own!!!

Cheers mate! -P

I agree that a quantitative sheet can keep a qualitative analysis more focused. My issue was with any attempts to apply statistical inference to the resulting data. Way too many confounding factors. Even if we all smoked out of the same box, there would be an infinite number of ways the data set was compromised by 'reality.' A sample size of 37 means nothing if your units of analysis (cigar), methods of sampling, and various other experimental conditions are not accounted for...which is next to impossible....which is why I like focused qualitative methods for many social experiments. Lol. No offense man. Just sharing some opinions.

Lol. Part of what I do when I punch my time-card is look at improper inferences using jacked-up quantitative analyses. Lies....damned Lies....statistics. I will refrain from conducting a graduate seminar and get off my ivory soapbox. In my defense....you seem interested in these issues so ... enjoy!!

Regarding Bolivar.... I am due for a 50 cab of BPC.... but I am currently out. I might have to do a BCE or one of those German Especiales R.E.s (yeah yeah I am not a big RE guy but when given to me..... I smoke em!).

[PigFish]

Salty:

Here is a backward compatibility file back to reader v5.0. While this form is simple it does have a lot of form data in it. This should print... but you gotta' be allowed to use paper... -LOL It should also save and has no security features at all that would stop it.

Hope this works for ya'. If not just copy the narrative and email it to me! -R

_Cigar_Companion_for_backcompatv2.pdf

Anyone having saving problems with this file try this one instead.

_Cigar_Companion_V3.pdf

[PigFish]

I agree that a quantitative sheet can keep a qualitative analysis more focused. My issue was with any attempts to apply statistical inference to the resulting data. Way too many confounding factors. Even if we all smoked out of the same box, there would be an infinite number of ways the data set was compromised by 'reality.' A sample size of 37 means nothing if your units of analysis (cigar), methods of sampling, and various other experimental conditions are not accounted for...which is next to impossible....which is why I like focused qualitative methods for many social experiments. Lol. No offense man. Just sharing some opinions.

Lol. Part of what I do when I punch my time-card is look at improper inferences using jacked-up quantitative analyses. Lies....damned Lies....statistics. I will refrain from conducting a graduate seminar and get off my ivory soapbox. In my defense....you seem interested in these issues so ... enjoy!!

Regarding Bolivar.... I am due for a 50 cab of BPC.... but I am currently out. I might have to do a BCE or one of those German Especiales R.E.s (yeah yeah I am not a big RE guy but when given to me..... I smoke em!).

Have to agree with you here mate. The fact is there is little objective or quantitative here in our hobby, perhaps except the price. And yes I have an interest is such things as well and don't mind at all the academic exchange. I am looking at it this way. If one can 'judge and score' ice dancing at the Olympics, we have gotta' be able to come up with something more objective in cigar reviewing! As I frown on any 'sport' that is graded by a panel of judges, for the sake of consistency, I feel pretty much the same regarding the subjective and arbitrary rating of cigars. It is simply a matter of opinion. You will note that when I review, I too tend to stick to terms of endearment or disdain, terms relative to my perception and resist a numerical rating system which truly cannot be consistent with that of another.

-Piggy

[sandholm]

I was trying to get everyone involved in Bwana's contest for the free style review and cigars. Team player ****, you know? I know... totally unlike me!! Make an effort Sandy, you can do it!!! I have not smoked mine either.

Maybe Bwana can be bribed to extend the contest a few days. I'll ask the boss aka Lisa!!! -P

Hi

Ahaaa, didnt think of that, but thats nice of you, ok, I will make the review before the 25:th

cheers

[PigFish]

Com'on mates... lots'a guys chimed in with Bolivars. Time to check in! -Piggy