CanuckSARTech Posted August 7, 2010 Posted August 7, 2010 Maybe they could do a "Habanos Reserve" or "premium" line of say 5-6 cigars. This "reserve line" sits between the many regular production and the 3 LE's for each year. Each cigar in the line would run for 2-3 years and cycles (staggered each year so 2 in 2 out each year) through to new cigar releases every year, maybe bringing back some deletions through this cycle. Every cigar from this line sells in a 10 count box with a slight premium (between regular line and LE, like a 10/15% mark up). Successful cigars from this line can go to regular production, and ones that don't sell will only be put out for 2-3 years anyway and I would assume that there would at least be a spike in sales initially for each cigar. I reckon a SP robusto in this format would do well. my 2c Perfect. Freakin' perfect. Love it. Interesting - under the current system, I consider Habanos the brand and the different marques variations on a theme or perhaps different models.Want to truly save the marque? Have the Cuban government allow HSA to sell it off and let it go private. Sell it to Cubans who are real cigar people. If they are considering discontinuing the brand as a whole, they'd have nothing to lose and money to gain. Interesting thought, and I agree it would work, but the Cuban/communist mindset would not allow it. Shameful too.
CanuckSARTech Posted August 7, 2010 Posted August 7, 2010 Wow fellas. Just read this through in it's unglorious entirety. Holy crap, Batman! Some excellent discourse and banter on here. I know I've joined the right forum when I see all this, and then you each light up a figurative cigar for each other in comraderie afterwards. Awesome boys. To add to the discussion.... I like steak!!! Mmmmm!!!
reliefdvm Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 As an American consumer I have tended to go with larger gauge CUBAN cigars because rightly or wrongly I have found they have a much less chance of being plugged. I really enjoy a good lancero and corona but when 1/2 a box of 25 has draw problems - I end up going with NC's. As far as the LE - I tend to buy the larger cigars because with the higher price they get relegated to special occasion cigars. So a long leisurely smoke is what I'm willing to spend my money on. I think that SP is a victim of poor quality control. I have tried some singles and based on that I have not tried any others. Save the 2 mil and just make a good smoke. I don't think that Jaun Lopez is hyped very much but they almost have a cult following because of some very tasty cigars.
adic88 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 All this talk of SP makes me want to review one! Have an "A" in the humidor... god, where will i find the time to smoke that one?
Wicky Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 yes. belis and molinos. i would certainly buy again. a trusty daily smoke
Lotusguy Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 I bought a box of Sanchos from 2001. Draw issues on half the box so far
Bunker1028 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Had a box of Beli's back in the late 90s, which I liked, but like others more.
investandprosper Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 A fellow BoTL gave me a SP Belicoso at a mini-herf, and it was a fantastic cigar. I'd definitely pick up a cab.
Hugomarink Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 I've had a box of Sanchos, Beli's, and Molinos and enjoyed them all, although this was in the late '90s when I procured those smokes. I have not bought any Sancho Panzas in over a decade, mostly over worries about quality and consistency. I actually still have one of the Sanchos from around 1998 -- I will have to light that up sometime soon.
warren516 Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Funny you should come up with the poll about Sancho Panza. Last week I was chatting with Lisa and put an order in for a box of Mag 46's. Have I tried them before, no. Am I worried that I won't like them and they will have cost me money? No - I can get rid of them to some of my friends who want to try them. It's a well known name and they would want to try them. When chatting with Lisa, I thought, since I'm getting a box, let's get some singles of other marcas to try, since I am fairly new to CCs. I also wanted to bring a couple up to NY, so a friend of mine up there can try some other marcas too. One that I asked about was the SP Non Plus. Lisa informed me that I was out of luck because they were out of stock. Prez - Thanks for all the other information that you put out in this discussion. Being a fan of LGC Tainos, I'll probably have to stock up on them in the off chance they disappear like some others.
mm12 Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 I just wanted to come back to this thread because I had my first truly great Non Plus this afternoon. Prior to today I've smoked through half this box and they've been mainly unremarkable 87-89 point cigars with a couple of plugged ones thrown in . First third was typical earth/sea salt/toasted tobacco. In the second third, I got some really great nutty flavors with salt and bit of creaminess. A few hints of chocolate and nougat came through occasionally. The final third was very strong and full-bodied with rich tobacco, salt, and plenty of black pepper spice with just a hint of caramel in the background. A real cracker that I'd rate at a 93-94. If only they could all be like this...
bc8436 Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 Never had one. From reading some of the posts here, I might add a stick or two to my next order.
laficion Posted March 20, 2011 Posted March 20, 2011 If only they could all be like this... Yes, great cigars when they don't have problems, which they have very often
LuciusSulla Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 Great thread, and amazingly civil. Usually the moment "capitalist" and "communist" come up in a thread, it all quickly goes down hill. Says a lot about the people here.
CanuckSARTech Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 Great thread, and amazingly civil. Usually the moment "capitalist" and "communist" come up in a thread, it all quickly goes down hill. Says a lot about the people here. You presumably haven't seen some of the threads started by Ken then, huh?!!?!
LuciusSulla Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 You presumably haven't seen some of the threads started by Ken then, huh?!!?! You would presume correctly, sir ;-)
broozer Posted May 6, 2011 Posted May 6, 2011 rob, no time to read this whole thread today as i have to leave for load in for a show in 30 minutes, but how can i not respond to this thread? i have never bought A box of SP's either.................i have however bought about 40-50 of them. and here's my $.02: -the coronas are the tops in my opinion with the belicoso being a close 2nd. -the bach's and the non plus are basically smaller versions of the corona and pretty much the exact same flavor profile. -the CG's and sanchos are much milder, but when they are on they are ON. i have some '01 and '05 sanchos aging very nicely in the humidor and i don't plan on lighting one up any time soon. well, maybe the '01's now that they are 10YO. AND my supply of '03 CG's is smoking very nicely right now. -lastly the molinos are also similar to the coronas, but a tad more richer (when aged at least) and probably my 3rd favorite SP. i have half a box of molinos and half a box of coronas from '99 left and they are stupid good. they are most likely the best tasting cigars in my aristocrat right now. they're even better than the '88 CG's i've had. to say i'm a HUGE fan of SP's is an understatement. there's a reason i got this done a few years back:
oliverchang514 Posted May 6, 2011 Posted May 6, 2011 rob, no time to read this whole thread today as i have to leave for load in for a show in 30 minutes, but how can i not respond to this thread? i have never bought A box of SP's either.................i have however bought about 40-50 of them. and here's my $.02: -the coronas are the tops in my opinion with the belicoso being a close 2nd. -the bach's and the non plus are basically smaller versions of the corona and pretty much the exact same flavor profile. -the CG's and sanchos are much milder, but when they are on they are ON. i have some '01 and '05 sanchos aging very nicely in the humidor and i don't plan on lighting one up any time soon. well, maybe the '01's now that they are 10YO. AND my supply of '03 CG's is smoking very nicely right now. -lastly the molinos are also similar to the coronas, but a tad more richer (when aged at least) and probably my 3rd favorite SP. i have half a box of molinos and half a box of coronas from '99 left and they are stupid good. they are most likely the best tasting cigars in my aristocrat right now. they're even better than the '88 CG's i've had. to say i'm a HUGE fan of SP's is an understatement. there's a reason i got this done a few years back: That TAT is gangsta. Dedication!!
stunod Posted May 7, 2011 Posted May 7, 2011 Got a SP beli 08 from a friend. Recently smoked it in Vegas on a business trip. It was incredible . Maybe it was a fluke, but when I came home I traded my buddy 3 Monte 2 HQ's for 3 SP beli's . If these 3 smoke like the first, will be buying a box fore sure.
jedipastor Posted May 7, 2011 Posted May 7, 2011 I've honestly never smoked a Sancho Panza cigar. The marca virtually never comes up among my friends and forums, so I've just never had the impetus to grab one. I do have a few, though. I'll give one a try soon. However ... I'm guessing this thread was started because HSA plans to delete a couple vitolas soon ... ?
broozer Posted May 7, 2011 Posted May 7, 2011 However ... I'm guessing this thread was started because HSA plans to delete a couple vitolas soon ... ? most likely. gotta make room for all those over priced limited edition cigars. bruce
mazolaman Posted May 25, 2011 Posted May 25, 2011 I'm working my way through a box of 05 Bacherilles at the moment. Enjoying their individual flavour profile,which does have salty tang,but also some real richness and depth. A salty,meaty cigar. Again,a good cigar,if a little ugly.
docbp87 Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Wow. Not only did I just read all 8 pages... but now I am very interested in exploring SP... Also, as for the argument for not cutting lines... It has been mentioned on several occasions in the video reviews, and seems like a logical, and reasonable solution... why not only produce the cigars every few years, in numbers just large enough to satisfy the connoisseur market who want them, rather than delete them completely? Roll 50,000 Bolivar Gold Medals every 3 years, or whatever the magic number is that equals the rate they sell at, etc. While this specialized market obviously isn't large enough to save a brand (for instance just because everyone on this forum suddenly becomes devoted Sancho Panza smokers, it wouldn't be enough to make the necessary difference), it does exist! Finally, could marketing, and hype not be the catalyst to influence the market towards the proposed black varnished SP Robo?
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