Why Partagas Connie 3\'s taste strong and rich?

[El Presidente]

Why Partagas Connie 3's taste strong and rich?

Is it an intentional blend? Is it a factor of gauge affecting strength? Why is it stronger than a Lusitania or Partagas D4?

I asked Yasmel this as he polished off his 800 gram T bone steak last night

His answer was remarkably straightforward. Connie 3 has one full leaf of Ligero, one full leaf of seco, one full leaf of volado.

Partagas D 4 my be a ratio of 2 1 1 ie 2 Seco 1 Volado 1 Ligero.

The narrower the ring guage of the cigar the less option the blender has. He needs to use full leaf. So if it is strong it will be full leaf of Ligero/Seco/ Volado. If a mild blend and say 36 gauge may only be Full leaf Volado and Full leaf Seco...no Ligero.

Re the Partagas Connie 3 you simply have a higher proportion of Ligero and hence the reason that it is fuller in body than say a Partagas D 4.

[Wiley]

Good stuff Rob, thanks!

[Colt45]

» The narrower the ring guage of the cigar the less option the blender has.

» He needs to use full leaf. So if it is strong it will be full leaf of

» Ligero/Seco/ Volado. If a mild blend and say 36 gauge may only be Full

» leaf Volado and Full leaf Seco...no Ligero.

Meaning they would not use only a portion - say a quarter (cut lengthwise) - of ligero, or any leaf?

»

» Re the Partagas Connie 3 you simply have a higher proportion of Ligero and

» hence the reason that it is fuller in body than say a Partagas D 4.

But is that not a blend decision? Or is part of it in this scenario - D4 or Lusitania - that they would have

to use full leaves of additional ligero, which would alter the prescribed blend?

[greenpimp]

Well **** that makes sense.

[Tampa1257]

Gee, I've been saying the same thing for years now, glad to know that I was peaking the logical truth. That is also why I have enjoyed Thinner Ring Gauge cigars more than the diluted larger "Fatties"!!!

[El Presidente]

» » The narrower the ring guage of the cigar the less option the blender

» has.

» » He needs to use full leaf. So if it is strong it will be full leaf of

» » Ligero/Seco/ Volado. If a mild blend and say 36 gauge may only be Full

» » leaf Volado and Full leaf Seco...no Ligero.

»

» Meaning they would not use only a portion - say a quarter (cut lengthwise)

» - of ligero, or any leaf?

Correct. Full leaf only. No portions.

» » Re the Partagas Connie 3 you simply have a higher proportion of Ligero

» and

» » hence the reason that it is fuller in body than say a Partagas D 4.

Re the full leaf of Ligero in Connie 3 keep in mind that the you still have control over the type of Ligero you use....different districts....different growing seasons can produce vastly differing quality of Ligero. This is still the blenders job.

The blender also determines the blend for the D4 and apportions the mix.

Check out this thread on the dissection of a Lusi compared to a Connie 3. http://www.friendsofhabanos.com/board_entr...id=56351#p56352

It is starting to make sense to me. Note witht the Lusi they used a full leaf of Ligero but a smaller leaf. Now go down and look at the Connie ...three leaves of almost perfect proportion..

[Colt45]

» It is starting to make sense to me. Note witht the Lusi they used a full

» leaf of Ligero but a smaller leaf. Now go down and look at the Connie

» ...three leaves of almost perfect proportion..

I really didn't consider the regional difference and especially the size difference.

I'd all but forgotten about the Lusi / Con3 thread - I think your test threads deserve to be listed under

classic posts, or even have a new forum specifically for them, for easy reference - thanks again.

[anacostiakat]

Great info. Not that I didnt think something like this but it is great validation.

Trust but validate.

[hoyopr]

- I think your test

» threads deserve to be listed under

a new forum specifically for them, for easy

» reference

I'll second that! I've learned alot of technical info on this site that I've not seen elsewhere. Thanks for the research, education and reviews.

[jwm8592]

Well I don't know how many secadas, or what part of the volcano, or if there is any lingerie involved, but the Connie 3's are one helluva smoke. Thanks for turning me onto them Pres.

[Claudius]

» Partagas D 4 my be a ratio of 2 1 1 ie 2 Seco 1 Volado 1 Ligero.

I opened a D4 2 days ago: it has 2 leaves of volado, 2 of seco and 2 of ligero in it. I also opened a BRC and a RASS and they had the same proportions, 2, 2, 2 in it. Quantities were not EXACTLY identical, but very close. Now I wonder why they taste different. My hypotheses:

- different ages of leaves

- different provenances (vegas)

- a mixture of the above

- the very small differences in leaf quantity make up for the difference (unlikely)

[Mr. Japan]

» » Partagas D 4 my be a ratio of 2 1 1 ie 2 Seco 1 Volado 1 Ligero.

»

» I opened a D4 2 days ago: it has 2 leaves of volado, 2 of seco and 2 of

» ligero in it. I also opened a BRC and a RASS and they had the same

» proportions, 2, 2, 2 in it. Quantities were not EXACTLY identical, but

» very close. Now I wonder why they taste different. My hypotheses:

» - different ages of leaves

» - different provenances (vegas)

» - a mixture of the above

» - the very small differences in leaf quantity make up for the difference

» (unlikely)

Claudio how can you say wich is wich , it could be 3 1 2 or 2 3 1 etc.

I mean you can distinguish the leaves of seco - ligero - volado in a rolled cigar? I believe it is difficult when the leaf is whole.

For El Presidente : My knowledge is that all cigars under ring gauge 36 (vitola Seoane) have no ligero. I think this is a question to investigate as you surely have many inside info to approach.

[Claudius]

» Claudio how can you say wich is wich , it could be 3 1 2 or 2 3 1 etc.

»

» I mean you can distinguish the leaves of seco - ligero - volado in a

» rolled cigar? I believe it is difficult when the leaf is whole.

Well, the volado is very light in colour, the seco rather dark and the ligero almost black. I agree it is not that easy telling the difference between seco and ligero, but I had a few specialists with me confirming the assessment.

» For El Presidente : My knowledge is that all cigars under ring gauge 36

» (vitola Seoane) have no ligero. I think this is a question to investigate

» as you surely have many inside info to approach.

Yes, that's what the book of that English guy says. To see what's in a cigar, you just have to open it :-)

[wp2]

Thank you Rob!!

Great info.

[Thomas]

» Why Partagas Connie 3's taste strong and rich?

»

» Is it an intentional blend? Is it a factor of gauge affecting strength?

» Why is it stronger than a Lusitania or Partagas D4?

»

» I asked Yasmel this as he polished off his 800 gram T bone steak last

» night

»

» His answer was remarkably straightforward. Connie 3 has one full leaf of

» Ligero, one full leaf of seco, one full leaf of volado.

»

» Partagas D 4 my be a ratio of 2 1 1 ie 2 Seco 1 Volado 1 Ligero.

»

» The narrower the ring guage of the cigar the less option the blender has.

» He needs to use full leaf. So if it is strong it will be full leaf of

» Ligero/Seco/ Volado. If a mild blend and say 36 gauge may only be Full

» leaf Volado and Full leaf Seco...no Ligero.

»

» Re the Partagas Connie 3 you simply have a higher proportion of Ligero and

» hence the reason that it is fuller in body than say a Partagas D 4.

Is there a place online to learn about the differnt tobacco types and regions they are grown in our favorite sticks?

Also, Do you have any book recomendations?

thanks for the info

[Colt45]

» Is there a place online to learn about the differnt tobacco types and

» regions they are grown in our favorite sticks?

»

Thomas, try this site, posted some time back by Tampa:

http://www.guerrillero.co.cu/sitiotabaco/e...glesh/index.htm

Trevor's site lists a number of books.

[Ginseng]

Fantastic post, Rob. And great follow-up, all. This is great information freely shared and that's why FOH is tops.

Wilkey

[El Presidente]

» For El Presidente : My knowledge is that all cigars under ring gauge 36

» (vitola Seoane) have no ligero. I think this is a question to investigate

» as you surely have many inside info to approach.

I have heard the same thing and when I take apart a thin gauge HDM I don't find any Ligero. Yet the Connie 3 has a definitive Ligero leaf.

I have a lot of time on my hands

[Thomas]

» » Is there a place online to learn about the differnt tobacco types and

» » regions they are grown in our favorite sticks?

» »

» Thomas, try this site, posted some time back by Tampa:

»

» http://www.guerrillero.co.cu/sitiotabaco/e...glesh/index.htm

»

» Trevor's site lists a number of books.

Nice.....A vault of information, thank you